Lest We Forget...................

[guest29835]

As said, you are on your own with the silencer theory.

Bamber would give Julie the basics - MM being paid,  Nevill fighting back, the bible, the twins not sufferring, Sheila shot last. He couldn't go into any more detail as he wasn't there.

No reason to mention MM used a silencer then put it away.

But he was there, according to you.  The hypothetical 'Matthew', Jeremy's more adventurous imaginary friend, would mention it to Jeremy, wouldn't he.

[David1819]

People have said the same of me. I keep meaning to get tested. Bit late now though.

If you have coped all this time without treatment, might not be nessisary.

[David1819]

If you have coped all this time without treatment, might not be nessisary.

People have said the same of me. I keep meaning to get tested. Bit late now though.

You could always try this.

https://www.4nrx-uk.md/neurological-health/axepta-atomoxetine-hcl.html

I have not tried it myself. The tablets I take you cannot purchase online.

[David1819]

But he was there, according to you.  The hypothetical 'Matthew', Jeremy's more adventurous imaginary friend, would mention it to Jeremy, wouldn't he.

Its a Binary proposition.

Either A

Jeremy confesses to the crime with the same false details either published in the papers or told to Ann Eaton. He also implicates another man that Julie happens to know and dislike. Jeremy then dumps her despite her knowing all. She then reveals the truth for the first time in Lewisham Pizza Hut.

Or B

After getting dumped. Julie meets a friend in Lewishan Pizza Hut. Julie then makes up this story out of spite, with the details she either got from the papers or Ann Eaton. She also implicates Mathew Mcdonald because like Jeremy she dislikes him also.

[David1819]

We know Julie made up the McDonald story since she let slip that she didn't know if McDonald had ever visited the farm despite claiming to have believed he was Jeremy's hitman who killed the family at the farm.

"I have been asked what I know about Matthew. I have only met him a couple of times, always at Head Street, Goldhanger. He made me feel very nervous although I do not know why. I am aware that Jeremy met him through a previous relationship, in fact whilst he was living with Sue FORD in Colchester. I do not know if Matthew has ever been to White House Farm".

"I have been asked why I did not make known to any other person, particularly to the authorities the contents of the conversations between myself and Jeremy BAMBER for 20 days, namely the 27th August 1985 when I then told Susan BATTERSBY. In answer to this I can say that in my subconscious I believed what Jeremy had said was true and I would qualify this by stating that I believed Jeremy when he said he had hired Mathew to kill the family".

[Adam]

We know Julie made up the McDonald story since she let slip that she didn't know if McDonald had ever visited the farm despite claiming to have believed he was Jeremy's hitman who killed the family at the farm.

"I have been asked what I know about Matthew. I have only met him a couple of times, always at Head Street, Goldhanger. He made me feel very nervous although I do not know why. I am aware that Jeremy met him through a previous relationship, in fact whilst he was living with Sue FORD in Colchester. I do not know if Matthew has ever been to White House Farm".

"I have been asked why I did not make known to any other person, particularly to the authorities the contents of the conversations between myself and Jeremy BAMBER for 20 days, namely the 27th August 1985 when I then told Susan BATTERSBY. In answer to this I can say that in my subconscious I believed what Jeremy had said was true and I would qualify this by stating that I believed Jeremy when he said he had hired Mathew to kill the family".

'We know Julie made up the McDonald story since she let slip that she didn't know if McDonald had ever visited the farm despite claiming to have believed he was Jeremy's hitman who killed the family at the farm.'

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Why does that mean Julie made up what Bamber told her?

[guest29835]

We know Julie made up the McDonald story since she let slip that she didn't know if McDonald had ever visited the farm despite claiming to have believed he was Jeremy's hitman who killed the family at the farm.

"I have been asked what I know about Matthew. I have only met him a couple of times, always at Head Street, Goldhanger. He made me feel very nervous although I do not know why. I am aware that Jeremy met him through a previous relationship, in fact whilst he was living with Sue FORD in Colchester. I do not know if Matthew has ever been to White House Farm".

"I have been asked why I did not make known to any other person, particularly to the authorities the contents of the conversations between myself and Jeremy BAMBER for 20 days, namely the 27th August 1985 when I then told Susan BATTERSBY. In answer to this I can say that in my subconscious I believed what Jeremy had said was true and I would qualify this by stating that I believed Jeremy when he said he had hired Mathew to kill the family".

Well.....yes, but to be fair to Julie, remember that her evidence consists only of relating what she has been told.  She may well not know if Matthew Macdonald has actually been on the premises, it doesn't follow that she's lying when she says that Jeremy told her that he had.

One question that occurs to me: Do we know when Julie compiled that diary of hers?  Diaries are meant to be retrospective, but Julie's diary entries read to me as if they are retroactive: in other words, she is planting information on particular dates in the past and this then forms the basis of a script for her story to the police, if you follow me.

[Steve_uk]

Its a Binary proposition.

Either A

Jeremy confesses to the crime with the same false details either published in the papers or told to Ann Eaton. He also implicates another man that Julie happens to know and dislike. Jeremy then dumps her despite her knowing all. She then reveals the truth for the first time in Lewisham Pizza Hut.

Or B

After getting dumped. Julie meets a friend in Lewishan Pizza Hut. Julie then makes up this story out of spite, with the details she either got from the papers or Ann Eaton. She also implicates Mathew Mcdonald because like Jeremy she dislikes him also.

Or C

Jeremy forgot how many bullets he discharged, high on central nervous system stimulants as he was, and conveyed this false information to Julie along with other wicked falsehoods such as the hitman story. Julie was finally beginning to accept that she had fallen in love with a mass murderer and at the behest of Karen and David Bishop amongst others realized that she had to come forward and tell Police what she knew.

[Steve_uk]

We know Julie made up the McDonald story since she let slip that she didn't know if McDonald had ever visited the farm despite claiming to have believed he was Jeremy's hitman who killed the family at the farm.

"I have been asked what I know about Matthew. I have only met him a couple of times, always at Head Street, Goldhanger. He made me feel very nervous although I do not know why. I am aware that Jeremy met him through a previous relationship, in fact whilst he was living with Sue FORD in Colchester. I do not know if Matthew has ever been to White House Farm".


"I have been asked why I did not make known to any other person, particularly to the authorities the contents of the conversations between myself and Jeremy BAMBER for 20 days, namely the 27th August 1985 when I then told Susan BATTERSBY. In answer to this I can say that in my subconscious I believed what Jeremy had said was true and I would qualify this by stating that I believed Jeremy when he said he had hired Mathew to kill the family".

That was on a separate occasion, so no contradiction there.

[Adam]

Bamber used MM as a proxy because -

Julie knew him. Vaguely.

MM had a reputation as a local action man.

Bamber was unlikely to cross paths with MM over the next few weeks. Meaning Julie could not speak to him.

Julie thought someone else was cold enough to pull the trigger.

Julie would be wrong if she went to the police & implemented MM.

[guest29835]

Bamber used MM as a proxy because -

Julie knew him. Vaguely.

MM had a reputation as a local action man.

Bamber was unlikely to cross paths with MM over the next few weeks. Meaning Julie could not speak to him.

Julie thought someone else was cold enough to pull the trigger.

Julie would be wrong if she went to the police & implemented MM.

Thanks Adam.

[Adam]

Thanks Adam.

Bit like Grant Mitchell in Eastenders.

[guest29835]

Bit like Grant Mitchell in Eastenders.

I'm still upset that you didn't put me forward for the CT in the earlier thread, Adam, after I came up with my Crispy theory.  Then there's your HP sauce and Eastenders revelations.  I'm surprised one of us hasn't had a 3 a.m. phone call from Jeremy himself.

[Adam]

I'm still upset that you didn't put me forward for the CT in the earlier thread, Adam, after I came up with my Crispy theory.  Then there's your HP sauce and Eastenders revelations.  I'm surprised one of us hasn't had a 3 a.m. phone call from Jeremy himself.

Well if he wakes me at 3am to 'hear a friendly voice', he won't get one.

[guest29835]

Well if he wakes me at 3am to 'hear a friendly voice', he won't get one.

I suppose Julie would have heard of Matthew, being the local action man, and she might have been impressed by his reputation.

Matthew wouldn't have let on that he worked in Libya as a plumber.  He was happy for impressionable women like Julie to think he was something more dangerous.

Jeremy sounds like a bit of panicker to me, what with him ringing Julie at all hours, whereas Matthew could be seen as a safe pair of hands - the strong silent type - and just the man to sweep Julie off her feet, in her imaginings perhaps. 

Thanks Adam.