Why Nevill didn't call the Police

[smiffy]

It is claimed that there were two calls to the Police. The first from Nevill at 3.26 and the second, by JB at 3.36.

The call from JB to the Police lasted 10-11 minutes according to JB. Even if this call was shorter, the timings do not work.

The drive from JB's cottage to WHF has been timed by Mike at 7 minutes.(Car was already moving too, no starting up, pulling out the drive.)

By JB's own website and all statements, he arrived at WHF at 3.48.

He wasn't dressed when he took the call.

Call at 3.36, +7 minutes to drive, 3.43..... allows 5 minutes for Call to Police, Call to Julie, Dress.....

Impossible I'm afraid.

If the call to Police only took 1 Minute then it might be possible, but we know that it was longer.

Maybe this claim will now be dropped from the official website?

The call to JM by JB was supposed to be before JB Called the police...so sorry "vidvic"....your version and flawed reasoning can be thrown into the rubbish bin straight away.

Wrong, because in the recent interview with Bamber he says he called the Police after his father called? so not in the Bin after all..

the sequence is simple....so you obviously misunderstood me "part due"

neville phones JB.
JB phones JM.
JB phones police.

certainly ..early on there seems to be no doubt the police accepted JB's reporting of a phone call from his father...it may even be the case that they too had received a call from Neville...which would support JB's report of trouble so make it even less likely to question its credibility and reliablity.

JB himself, does not agree with your sequence of events.

are you referring to a very early claim by JB to the police in which JB was under stress and possibly confused or did not want to admit he was scared by the call and did not want to come across to the police as a coward so may have possibly said he phoned JM after calling the police.

hmm  a killer planning a cover up /alibi type thing based on phone calls ...they would KNOW what order to make the calls and what times they were  and have the sequence well remembered in anticipation of possible police questioning.... 
JB's being unsure in a stressful situation seems to indicate his focus was not on the time he did things.

Neville's call to JB would have posed a dilemma for JB as to what to do in response to his fathers call.
does he go himself to whf as it seems his father didnt want the police involved......risky...or does he call the police contrary to what his fathers message would imply his father wanted ......
In my view he phoned JM to seek opinion on the issue but JM's lack of concern (cold and uncaring) meant he got no help from her as he never got to raise this difficult question with her.

Smiffy

In your opinion........... IF Jeremy did not receive a telephone call from Nevill do you think Jeremy would be guilty as charged?

certainly I would....
but if he did then would you "curious" accept JB is innocent?

[smiffy]

"does he go himself to whf as it seems his father didnt want the police involved"

but I thought you said Nevill called the Police too?

When Jeremy was questioned about the order of the calls to the Police & Mugford, he initially said he called JM BEFORE the Police, then later he said he called her AFTER the Police. When Police picked up the change they pointed it out and he kept referring back to his first statement where he said BEFORE the Police. At trial and in later statements he changed it back to AFTER and last year, in the Mirror interview he said AFTER.

If it was AFTER the Police this was around 3.30 and if Nevill called the Police it was after 3.36. Three witnesses say the call to JM was around 3.00am.

CAN YOU PLEASE SHOW copies of all these claims from the statements etc and reports...oh  and stuff this silly 3.00am nonsense where it belongs...in the bin...for those claims look false in regards to the time .


erm  you do take the line that "IF NEVILL called the police" vidvic ...so clearly ...you are not convinced of JB's guilt as you are prepared to consider that Nevill could in fact have called the police himself.

[smiffy]

Such a simple thing to remember and he got it wrong.  Doesn't that tell a story all of its own?

And then he tried to cover his mistake by telling the police to refer to his initial statement. Well practised liars usually slip up on the simplest of questions.

is that why you slip up a lot jerry?
thats going by your reasoning...not mine!

[Jerry]

Such a simple thing to remember and he got it wrong.  Doesn't that tell a story all of its own?

And then he tried to cover his mistake by telling the police to refer to his initial statement. Well practised liars usually slip up on the simplest of questions.

is that why you slip up a lot jerry?
thats going by your reasoning...not mine!

I never slip up as you infer and certainly don't take any notice of an upstart who has little to bring to this debate.

[vidvic]

it certainly isn't nonsense smiffy, it's what was testified at trial. 3 witnesses all reported the call at around 3am. I know you don't want to hear it, but loks like JB was lying.

[Jerry]

Now that would be a surprise after everything that has occurred?   

[vidvic]

any chance of an answer Smiffy? Do you realise that it's not Chelmsford exchange??

[smiffy]

Such a simple thing to remember and he got it wrong.  Doesn't that tell a story all of its own?

And then he tried to cover his mistake by telling the police to refer to his initial statement. Well practised liars usually slip up on the simplest of questions.

is that why you slip up a lot jerry?
thats going by your reasoning...not mine!

I never slip up as you infer and certainly don't take any notice of an upstart who has little to bring to this debate.

well you took notice of my post so that can only mean I am not an upstart and that I do bring much to the debate...
takes care with your words jerry as in your desperate attempts to belittle other posters you make your self look very silly indeed .

of course you slip up  ...you did in your claim that you dont slip up

[curiousessex]

It is claimed that there were two calls to the Police. The first from Nevill at 3.26 and the second, by JB at 3.36.

The call from JB to the Police lasted 10-11 minutes according to JB. Even if this call was shorter, the timings do not work.

The drive from JB's cottage to WHF has been timed by Mike at 7 minutes.(Car was already moving too, no starting up, pulling out the drive.)

By JB's own website and all statements, he arrived at WHF at 3.48.

He wasn't dressed when he took the call.

Call at 3.36, +7 minutes to drive, 3.43..... allows 5 minutes for Call to Police, Call to Julie, Dress.....

Impossible I'm afraid.

If the call to Police only took 1 Minute then it might be possible, but we know that it was longer.

Maybe this claim will now be dropped from the official website?

The call to JM by JB was supposed to be before JB Called the police...so sorry "vidvic"....your version and flawed reasoning can be thrown into the rubbish bin straight away.

Wrong, because in the recent interview with Bamber he says he called the Police after his father called? so not in the Bin after all..

the sequence is simple....so you obviously misunderstood me "part due"

neville phones JB.
JB phones JM.
JB phones police.

certainly ..early on there seems to be no doubt the police accepted JB's reporting of a phone call from his father...it may even be the case that they too had received a call from Neville...which would support JB's report of trouble so make it even less likely to question its credibility and reliablity.

JB himself, does not agree with your sequence of events.

are you referring to a very early claim by JB to the police in which JB was under stress and possibly confused or did not want to admit he was scared by the call and did not want to come across to the police as a coward so may have possibly said he phoned JM after calling the police.

hmm  a killer planning a cover up /alibi type thing based on phone calls ...they would KNOW what order to make the calls and what times they were  and have the sequence well remembered in anticipation of possible police questioning.... 
JB's being unsure in a stressful situation seems to indicate his focus was not on the time he did things.

Neville's call to JB would have posed a dilemma for JB as to what to do in response to his fathers call.
does he go himself to whf as it seems his father didnt want the police involved......risky...or does he call the police contrary to what his fathers message would imply his father wanted ......
In my view he phoned JM to seek opinion on the issue but JM's lack of concern (cold and uncaring) meant he got no help from her as he never got to raise this difficult question with her.

Smiffy

In your opinion........... IF Jeremy did not receive a telephone call from Nevill do you think Jeremy would be guilty as charged?

certainly I would....
but if he did then would you "curious" accept JB is innocent?

Smiffy

Thank you for the reply.

If Nevill did call Jeremy to advise of trouble at the farm before Jeremy called Julie to effectively advise the same, I believe, Jeremy's current position would be very different and Jeremy's version of events would stand scrutiny.

[smiffy]

any chance of an answer Smiffy? Do you realise that it's not Chelmsford exchange??

It seems like the local exchange would be Maldon....
so when was that upgraded to digital...at a similar time to chelmsford I would think...