Why Nevill didn't call the Police

[chochokeira]

Operator terminated the open line connection, to allow DCI Harris to make contact with ACC peter Simpson by use of the kitchen phone at about 8:15am...

Well I guess Sheila could not have tried to make the call Keira was refering to in David Shaw's manuscript.

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So how did police make call to whf, at a time when line was open and giving an engaged tone?

Good point, Mike +1

[chochokeira]

I think this could be a world record for the size of link category... But this blog has an interesting take on the JB/JM call scenario:

Thanks, Rocky. +1

[Hartley]

So the argument now is, what if the clocks were wrong?

[chochokeira]

So the argument now is, what if the clocks were wrong?

Coming from the chief propagandist of "the logs are all wrong", that's mighty rich, Harters 

[Hartley]

So the argument now is, what if the clocks were wrong?

Coming from the chief propagandist of "the logs are all wrong", that's mighty rich, Harters 

That's a cheap shot Choc. 

[curiousessex]

So the argument now is, what if the clocks were wrong?

Coming from the chief propagandist of "the logs are all wrong", that's mighty rich, Harters 

That's a cheap shot Choc. 

Jeremy wore a watch............. I wonder what time Jeremy's watch detailed when he awoke, rang Julie and rang the Police.

Maybe we would get an idea if the time of calls detailed in Jeremy's original witness statement was revealed.

[chochokeira]

So the argument now is, what if the clocks were wrong?

Coming from the chief propagandist of "the logs are all wrong", that's mighty rich, Harters 

That's a cheap shot Choc. 

Cheaper than: "So the argument now is, what if the clocks were wrong?"

[Hartley]

So the argument now is, what if the clocks were wrong?

Coming from the chief propagandist of "the logs are all wrong", that's mighty rich, Harters 

That's a cheap shot Choc. 

Cheaper than: "So the argument now is, what if the clocks were wrong?"

That was a serious question actually, if you read Mikes last post you will see that my question is quite clear.

[curiousessex]

It is claimed that there were two calls to the Police. The first from Nevill at 3.26 and the second, by JB at 3.36.

The call from JB to the Police lasted 10-11 minutes according to JB. Even if this call was shorter, the timings do not work.

The drive from JB's cottage to WHF has been timed by Mike at 7 minutes.(Car was already moving too, no starting up, pulling out the drive.)

By JB's own website and all statements, he arrived at WHF at 3.48.

He wasn't dressed when he took the call.

Call at 3.36, +7 minutes to drive, 3.43..... allows 5 minutes for Call to Police, Call to Julie, Dress.....

Impossible I'm afraid.

If the call to Police only took 1 Minute then it might be possible, but we know that it was longer.

Maybe this claim will now be dropped from the official website?

The call to JM by JB was supposed to be before JB Called the police...so sorry "vidvic"....your version and flawed reasoning can be thrown into the rubbish bin straight away.

Really smiffy? You might want to tell the defence team at trial and at appeal, as they have worked very hard to show the phone call was AFTER he called the police.

... Consider the following - (1) phone log timed at 3.26am, is/was call made to police by Ralph, (2) phone log timed at 3.36am, was 10 minutes out of sinc', and really took place at around 3.26am, lasting about 11 minutes and thus terminating at around 3.37am. This gives Jeremy ample time to get dressed, call JM, and start the car up, and make his way to the scene as instructed by the police - throw into the equation that the clock at JM's bedsit is/was 10 minutes fast (so that clock reads 3.40am, or later) and Jeremy's account makes sense. One of the problems in this case, is that everybody is treating all the time references as though they relate to a universal clock, in which every eventuality is to be measured?

'........-throw into the equation that the clock at JM's bedsit is/was 10 minutes fast (so that reads 3.40am, or later) and Jeremy's account makes sense."

implies Jeremy's account does not make sense.

Two witnesses testified against two individual clocks and not a single clock in JM's bedsit.

[chochokeira]

So the argument now is, what if the clocks were wrong?

Coming from the chief propagandist of "the logs are all wrong", that's mighty rich, Harters 

That's a cheap shot Choc. 

Cheaper than: "So the argument now is, what if the clocks were wrong?"

That was a serious question actually, if you read Mikes last post you will see that my question is quite clear.

I appear to have made the classic internet mistake of reading sarcasm into a remark where none was intended, so I apologise, Harters. I O U another +1 for this.

[Hartley]

So the argument now is, what if the clocks were wrong?

Coming from the chief propagandist of "the logs are all wrong", that's mighty rich, Harters 

That's a cheap shot Choc. 

Cheaper than: "So the argument now is, what if the clocks were wrong?"

That was a serious question actually, if you read Mikes last post you will see that my question is quite clear.

I appear to have made the classic internet mistake of reading sarcasm into a remark where none was intended, so I apologise, Harters. I O U another +1 for this.

 That's fine, I'm quite prone to being somewhat sarcastic at times, although I'm trying to tone it down, the therapy was going well.

[tyler]

I have always found it fascinating,that all of Julies flatmates after spending an evening drinking and getting stoned,all  just happened to wake up when the phone was ringing and all just happened to glance at their clocks at that time.What are the odds of that?Not one of them sleeping through a ringing telephone.

[curiousessex]

I have always found it fascinating,that all of Julies flatmates after spending an evening drinking and getting stoned,all  just happened to wake up when the phone was ringing and all just happened to glance at their clocks at that time.What are the odds of that?Not one of them sleeping through a ringing telephone.

They didn't................ try reading the Appeal extracts as posted by Hartley earlier in the thread.

[tyler]

So 2 of them state that they didnt look at their clocks.Could you point to where it states that any one of them slept through the telephone ringing,because I cant seem to find it.

[curiousessex]

So 2 of them state that they didnt look at their clocks.Could you point to where it states that any one of them slept through the telephone ringing,because I cant seem to find it.

So 2 of them state that they didnt look at their clocks.Could you point to where it states that any one of them slept through the telephone ringing,because I cant seem to find it.

If they all woke up then they all woke up. However they all did not wake up and look at their clocks.

Your statement was 'I have always found it fascinating, that all of Julies flatmates after spending an evening drinking and getting stoned, all just happened to wake up when the phone was ringing and all just happened to glance at their clocks at that time.'

The emphasis was all doing the same thing....... they did not and do not admit as such.