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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #270 on: June 30, 2011, 10:29:AM »
I have read and seen police lies and corruption first hand to people I know that have been 100% innocent and I have read all the stuff about Birmingham Six and Guildford Four and Colin Stagg and I have followed JB s story for a long time and the only thing I wasn't sure about was Sheilas capability but Ngb explained that one.  I have to say I think he is innocent but absolute definitive proof I don't know if that can ever happen unless someone proves the police have lied.

I will share something with you though as Ngb has said that I speak to JB on the phone.  I had quite a long conversation with him on Saturday and I said I could not get my head around how anyone could stitch someone up and get them life in prison. He said there were people in that prison that have done a lot more for a lot less and then he went into great detail saying he had sympathy for JM and explained why she could have done what she did. It is something I have never read before and wouldn't repeat but he didn't say anything bad about her and he certainly doesn't hate her and that is not really how he should be I had a lot of respect for what he said and he does talk about his mum and dad and aunty pam with a lot of love

You can't hate someone who told the truth.
Why not?

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #271 on: June 30, 2011, 10:34:AM »
Try and use your brain for once Jerry
JB was trying to make excuses for JM making up the lies she told the police


That's hardly what he would have done if he was guilty he was explaining what happened


Just like the comment JB made when he was told all his family was dead

'the police must have killed them'
Hardly the words you would use if the plan was to pin the murders on Sheila

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #272 on: June 30, 2011, 12:58:PM »
Vidvic good I am glad you are now showing an open mind.  I dont think you will have long to wait

So, you don't have this evidence?

I take it this is the new 'dynamite' evidence yet to be posted.

Vidvic  - again I find your goading of Jackie unattractive to say the least, particular for a site "Global Moderator".  You are aware that Jeremy Bamber and his team have been concerned at new material being posted publicly, in particular on this forum, before they have had a chance to evaluate that new material properly.  Jackie is following the reasonable requests of Jeremy Bamber's team in this regard, as they do not want to set hares running and damage the work which they are carrying out.  You should respect this rather than ridicule it.

NGB - I appreciate what you are saying. But if they are concerned about information leaking out, why are they sharing this information with "civilians" such as Jackie? If such leaks genuinely run the risk of jeopardising the appeal then it doesn't seem terribly professional to me!

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #273 on: June 30, 2011, 01:09:PM »
Vidvic good I am glad you are now showing an open mind.  I dont think you will have long to wait

So, you don't have this evidence?

I take it this is the new 'dynamite' evidence yet to be posted.

Vidvic  - again I find your goading of Jackie unattractive to say the least, particular for a site "Global Moderator".  You are aware that Jeremy Bamber and his team have been concerned at new material being posted publicly, in particular on this forum, before they have had a chance to evaluate that new material properly.  Jackie is following the reasonable requests of Jeremy Bamber's team in this regard, as they do not want to set hares running and damage the work which they are carrying out.  You should respect this rather than ridicule it.

NGB - I appreciate what you are saying. But if they are concerned about information leaking out, why are they sharing this information with "civilians" such as Jackie? If such leaks genuinely run the risk of jeopardising the appeal then it doesn't seem terribly professional to me!

Bob  -  I take your point but although Jackie is a "civilian" in that she is not part of Jeremy Bamber's legal team she does do a lot of work on behalf on the campaign to generate public support for Jeremy Bamber's case.  Jackie is therefore trusted by Jeremy Bamber and his team and they know that if they ask Jackie will refrain from posting confidential information. 

I do accept that it is frustrating for members of this forum to see hints posted about ground breaking new evidence and then when further information is understandably requested it is withheld because of a request by the defence team.  The caution on the part of the defence team is understandable in my view as in the past information has been released before the defence had been able to carry out a thorough check on its reliability and they want to avoid that happening in the future.

 

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #274 on: June 30, 2011, 01:17:PM »
Vidvic good I am glad you are now showing an open mind.  I dont think you will have long to wait

So, you don't have this evidence?

I take it this is the new 'dynamite' evidence yet to be posted.

Vidvic  - again I find your goading of Jackie unattractive to say the least, particular for a site "Global Moderator".  You are aware that Jeremy Bamber and his team have been concerned at new material being posted publicly, in particular on this forum, before they have had a chance to evaluate that new material properly.  Jackie is following the reasonable requests of Jeremy Bamber's team in this regard, as they do not want to set hares running and damage the work which they are carrying out.  You should respect this rather than ridicule it.

NGB - I appreciate what you are saying. But if they are concerned about information leaking out, why are they sharing this information with "civilians" such as Jackie? If such leaks genuinely run the risk of jeopardising the appeal then it doesn't seem terribly professional to me!

Bob  -  I take your point but although Jackie is a "civilian" in that she is not part of Jeremy Bamber's legal team she does do a lot of work on behalf on the campaign to generate public support for Jeremy Bamber's case.  Jackie is therefore trusted by Jeremy Bamber and his team and they know that if they ask Jackie will refrain from posting confidential information. 

I do accept that it is frustrating for members of this forum to see hints posted about ground breaking new evidence and then when further information is understandably requested it is withheld because of a request by the defence team.  The caution on the part of the defence team is understandable in my view as in the past information has been released before the defence had been able to carry out a thorough check on its reliability and they want to avoid that happening in the future.

 

NGB

Have you provided any help to Mike or the team given your legal background?

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #275 on: June 30, 2011, 01:34:PM »
Thankyou Ngb

bob I have absolutely no idea what JB will put forward to the CCRC

At this moment in time it must be very difficult for JB to trust anyone because of the Bob W saga

I have never asked JB to phone me and I have never asked or been to visit him and I have never got involved in any of the goings on over on Facebook but he trusts me.

Anything I have been told is a brief summary and I have never been told anything else that would interest this forum

I have no need to because I have no legal background and it is impossible for me to give opinions

JB has now extra pro bono legal help and I have never asked what is happening because legal stuff goes straight over my head and I just don't need to know I am just estatic that someone else is helping to get this case to appeal

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #276 on: June 30, 2011, 01:57:PM »
Vidvic good I am glad you are now showing an open mind.  I dont think you will have long to wait

So, you don't have this evidence?

I take it this is the new 'dynamite' evidence yet to be posted.

Vidvic  - again I find your goading of Jackie unattractive to say the least, particular for a site "Global Moderator".  You are aware that Jeremy Bamber and his team have been concerned at new material being posted publicly, in particular on this forum, before they have had a chance to evaluate that new material properly.  Jackie is following the reasonable requests of Jeremy Bamber's team in this regard, as they do not want to set hares running and damage the work which they are carrying out.  You should respect this rather than ridicule it.

NGB - I appreciate what you are saying. But if they are concerned about information leaking out, why are they sharing this information with "civilians" such as Jackie? If such leaks genuinely run the risk of jeopardising the appeal then it doesn't seem terribly professional to me!

Bob  -  I take your point but although Jackie is a "civilian" in that she is not part of Jeremy Bamber's legal team she does do a lot of work on behalf on the campaign to generate public support for Jeremy Bamber's case.  Jackie is therefore trusted by Jeremy Bamber and his team and they know that if they ask Jackie will refrain from posting confidential information. 

I do accept that it is frustrating for members of this forum to see hints posted about ground breaking new evidence and then when further information is understandably requested it is withheld because of a request by the defence team.  The caution on the part of the defence team is understandable in my view as in the past information has been released before the defence had been able to carry out a thorough check on its reliability and they want to avoid that happening in the future.

 

NGB

Have you provided any help to Mike or the team given your legal background?

curiousessex  -  I am not part of Jeremy Bamber's legal team as although I am qualified and have relevant experience I am not currently practicising as a barrister.  I am in contact with Jeremy Bamber directly by letter and telephone and have contact with some of his team.  In areas where I have some relevant knowledge or experience ( essentialy law and firearms) I have indicated that I am willing to assist if requested.  Jeremy Bamber does have very competent legal representation and he is assisted by others who have been working on collating the vast volume of material associated with the case.  I am sure that his team will give him the best possible chance of success with the CCRC and with the case overall.

As far as Mike Tesko is concerned I have expressed on this forum my view that he has made a compelling case for having been the victim of miscarriage of justice, and I have openly urged him to continue in his efforts to secure justice for himself.  l do not feel it would be right for me to go further on this than I have posted on the forum.  Mike has continued to post documents relevant to his case.

 

 

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #277 on: June 30, 2011, 02:20:PM »
Vidvic good I am glad you are now showing an open mind.  I dont think you will have long to wait

So, you don't have this evidence?

I take it this is the new 'dynamite' evidence yet to be posted.

Vidvic  - again I find your goading of Jackie unattractive to say the least, particular for a site "Global Moderator".  You are aware that Jeremy Bamber and his team have been concerned at new material being posted publicly, in particular on this forum, before they have had a chance to evaluate that new material properly.  Jackie is following the reasonable requests of Jeremy Bamber's team in this regard, as they do not want to set hares running and damage the work which they are carrying out.  You should respect this rather than ridicule it.

NGB - I appreciate what you are saying. But if they are concerned about information leaking out, why are they sharing this information with "civilians" such as Jackie? If such leaks genuinely run the risk of jeopardising the appeal then it doesn't seem terribly professional to me!

Bob  -  I take your point but although Jackie is a "civilian" in that she is not part of Jeremy Bamber's legal team she does do a lot of work on behalf on the campaign to generate public support for Jeremy Bamber's case.  Jackie is therefore trusted by Jeremy Bamber and his team and they know that if they ask Jackie will refrain from posting confidential information. 

I do accept that it is frustrating for members of this forum to see hints posted about ground breaking new evidence and then when further information is understandably requested it is withheld because of a request by the defence team.  The caution on the part of the defence team is understandable in my view as in the past information has been released before the defence had been able to carry out a thorough check on its reliability and they want to avoid that happening in the future.

 


I beg to differ on that count. Jackie Preece is like a loose cannon and has done nothing but damage to Jeremy Bamber's chances of ever being believed as having been wrongly convicted.  Her constant allegation that Julie Mugford lied and lied serves no purpose other than to feed her own ego and most certainly smells of sour grapes.

Her latest invitation to pursue a vendetta against a retired policeman who now lives in Australia on the basis of some anonymous post by a cyber user called Ron Cooke just serves to underline my previous comment.  Maybe she should contact Julie Mugford or Mrs Julie Smerchanski as she is now if she feels so strongly about her.

Jackie should be in no doubt however that harassment of an individual whether he be in Australia or she be in Canada can quickly become a police matter with the ensuing consequences that such brings.

Mike knows all too well what it is like to get on the wrong side of the police and ngb1066 is a former barrister so I am quite sure that they both will advise caution in anything that Jackie or anyone else contemplates doing.
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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #278 on: June 30, 2011, 02:57:PM »
Jerry just incase you have not read everything about this case

Julie Mugford is a liar fact

I have stated what my opinion is on statements she made to the police

Where do you separate the lies from the truth


Where did I say anything on here about harassing anyone?

I am more interested in finding out fact from fiction on the bambergate thread and who Ron Cook is and does he have anymore GENUINE information about the police involved.  I doubt it but you never know it's probably John up to his tricks

Try and be constructive and bring something of use to the forum. Nobody will ever take you seriously when you keep referring to Julie as lovely

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #279 on: June 30, 2011, 02:59:PM »
Vidvic good I am glad you are now showing an open mind.  I dont think you will have long to wait

So, you don't have this evidence?

I take it this is the new 'dynamite' evidence yet to be posted.

Vidvic  - again I find your goading of Jackie unattractive to say the least, particular for a site "Global Moderator".  You are aware that Jeremy Bamber and his team have been concerned at new material being posted publicly, in particular on this forum, before they have had a chance to evaluate that new material properly.  Jackie is following the reasonable requests of Jeremy Bamber's team in this regard, as they do not want to set hares running and damage the work which they are carrying out.  You should respect this rather than ridicule it.

NGB - I appreciate what you are saying. But if they are concerned about information leaking out, why are they sharing this information with "civilians" such as Jackie? If such leaks genuinely run the risk of jeopardising the appeal then it doesn't seem terribly professional to me!

Bob  -  I take your point but although Jackie is a "civilian" in that she is not part of Jeremy Bamber's legal team she does do a lot of work on behalf on the campaign to generate public support for Jeremy Bamber's case.  Jackie is therefore trusted by Jeremy Bamber and his team and they know that if they ask Jackie will refrain from posting confidential information. 

I do accept that it is frustrating for members of this forum to see hints posted about ground breaking new evidence and then when further information is understandably requested it is withheld because of a request by the defence team.  The caution on the part of the defence team is understandable in my view as in the past information has been released before the defence had been able to carry out a thorough check on its reliability and they want to avoid that happening in the future.

 


I beg to differ on that count. Jackie Preece is like a loose cannon and has done nothing but damage to Jeremy Bamber's chances of ever being believed as having been wrongly convicted.  Her constant allegation that Julie Mugford lied and lied serves no purpose other than to feed her own ego and most certainly smells of sour grapes.

Her latest invitation to pursue a vendetta against a retired policeman who now lives in Australia on the basis of some anonymous post by a cyber user called Ron Cooke just serves to underline my previous comment.  Maybe she should contact Julie Mugford or Mrs Julie Smerchanski as she is now if she feels so strongly about her.

Jackie should be in no doubt however that harassment of an individual whether he be in Australia or she be in Canada can quickly become a police matter with the ensuing consequences that such brings.

Mike knows all too well what it is like to get on the wrong side of the police and ngb1066 is a former barrister so I am quite sure that they both will advise caution in anything that you contemplate doing.

I will deal in turn with your points above.

1.  Jackie Preece believes very strongly about Jeremy Bamber's innocence and that comes across in some of her posts, particularly where  an "anti bamber" poster refuses to answer a direct question or where she is goaded by one or more posters.  I am sure that some people have posted deliberately in a way intended to antagonise Jackie in order to get a reaction from her.  Your opinion that Jackie has harmed Jeremy Bamber's chances of setting aside his convictions is not one shared by Jeremy Bamber himself.  He appreciates all her efforts on his behalf.

2. Jackie's references to Julie Mugford lying are simply a reflection of Jeremy Bamber's case.  If Jeremy Bamber is telling the truth, Julie Mugford must have lied.  This is a central part of the case as we all know and strong comments by Jackie about Julie Mugford are to be expected in the circumstances and have nothing to do with ego our sour grapes.  Anti - Bamber supporters post some damning comments about Jeremy Bamber, as is to be expected considering their views on the case. 

3. There is nothing illegal in making contact with a potential witness in Australia or Canada or anywhere else.  I have not seen Jackie suggesting anything which would come close to being a criminal offence. 

     

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #280 on: June 30, 2011, 03:07:PM »
Jerry just incase you have not read everything about this case

Julie Mugford is a liar fact

I have stated what my opinion is on statements she made to the police

Where do you separate the lies from the truth


Where did I say anything on here about harassing anyone?

I am more interested in finding out fact from fiction on the bambergate thread and who Ron Cook is and does he have anymore GENUINE information about the police involved.  I doubt it but you never know it's probably John up to his tricks

Try and be constructive and bring something of use to the forum. Nobody will ever take you seriously when you keep referring to Julie as lovely

You call Julie a liar but you have been asked on several occasions to be specific.  What did she lie about in your humble opinion?

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« Reply #281 on: June 30, 2011, 03:08:PM »
1.  Jackie Preece believes very strongly about Jeremy Bamber's innocence and that comes across in some of her posts, particularly where  an "anti bamber" poster refuses to answer a direct question or where she is goaded by one or more posters.   

No disrespect NGB, but I think you will find it happens to be the case that it is Jackie who is often (but not always) the antagonist and issues goading questions which have already been answered, can't be answered or are irrelevant. She also has a habit of being particularly rude to anyone who disagrees with her (again, not always but often).

She gets stick for it sure, but it is of her own making.


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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #282 on: June 30, 2011, 03:11:PM »
Jerry
For a start in her first statement to the police

Do you agree Jerry

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #283 on: June 30, 2011, 03:14:PM »
Come on Hartley you like me don't you

You love fighting with me on the forum?

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #284 on: June 30, 2011, 03:17:PM »
Hartley you have upset me now I even put you forward as a moderator