Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?

[shonapugs]

Jack, you think that Ralph and JB had a good relationship. Wouldn't Ralph have warned JB away, rather than ask him to come to the farm? If Sheila really had "gone crazy with a gun" wouldn't Ralph have been worried for JB's safety?  I AM NOT HAVING A POP. You have a lot of insight - what do you think?

[Jackiepreece]

I have read and seen police lies and corruption first hand to people I know that have been 100% innocent and I have read all the stuff about Birmingham Six and Guildford Four and Colin Stagg and I have followed JB s story for a long time and the only thing I wasn't sure about was Sheilas capability but Ngb explained that one.  I have to say I think he is innocent but absolute definitive proof I don't know if that can ever happen unless someone proves the police have lied.

I will share something with you though as Ngb has said that I speak to JB on the phone.  I had quite a long conversation with him on Saturday and I said I could not get my head around how anyone could stitch someone up and get them life in prison. He said there were people in that prison that have done a lot more for a lot less and then he went into great detail saying he had sympathy for JM and explained why she could have done what she did. It is something I have never read before and wouldn't repeat but he didn't say anything bad about her and he certainly doesn't hate her and that is not really how he should be I had a lot of respect for what he said and he does talk about his mum and dad and aunty pam with a lot of love

[shonapugs]

Blimey, Jack, you speak to him? Respect!! You and Mike, then. Who on earth does he know that are in prison for a worse crime than his (allegedly)?

[Jackiepreece]

If things were as JB said the only explanation I can come up with is Sheila was having another one of her episodes and Neville couldn't calm her down and he thought Jeremy might be able to. Sheila could have been storming around the house with the gun but Neville didn't ever expect her to use the gun.

I can't really come up with much more than that.  I think Sheila and JB were closer than people made out and perhaps Neville might make a difference

I don't make too much of the driving slowly thing I think JB was a bit of a coward or woos I think he would have purposely held back for the police I don't think Jeremy would have gone into the house before the police

[shonapugs]

I must have led a sheltered life, because I find it hard to imagine many crimes worse than the slaughter of two tiny boys, an elderly couple and a poorly young woman, murdered in their beds.

[shonapugs]

Jack, does JB ever try to explain why he rang JM?

[Jackiepreece]

Shona when he said that he meant the people that set him up JM and the relatives he has come into contact with people that have done a lot  worse than set people up for a lot less money

[chochokeira]

I must have led a sheltered life, because I find it hard to imagine many crimes worse than the slaughter of two tiny boys, an elderly couple and a poorly young woman, murdered in their beds.

What do you make of JM, Shona?

[shonapugs]

Do you think that he would cope, Jack, if he was released? Has he got somewhere to go?

[chochokeira]

Shona when he said that he meant the people that set him up JM and the relatives he has come into contact with people that have done a lot  worse than set people up for a lot less money

Hi Jackie. Hi Shona, by the way!

[shonapugs]

Choch, JM was surely deeply dodgy, but found herself out of her depth. I don't think that she lied, once she was under oath.

[shonapugs]

By the way, Choch, my book came today! I've only had a moment to skim through it, but it belonged to a prisoner, was scribbled all over, and underlined in red whenever McDonald was mentioned. I'll try to look at it properly when I get a chance. I've also ordered Colin's book, but it cost me a bit!!

[chochokeira]

Choch, JM was surely deeply dodgy, but found herself out of her depth. I don't think that she lied, once she was under oath.

She claimed that Jeremy became increasingly bitter towards his family in late 1984. Yet, aside form the extended family who seem intent on portraying him as evil, other witnesses said the opposite was true, that he was settling down as he matured and that the relationships wer improving.

[Jackiepreece]

Well I did make him laugh on Saturday because I said he was causing havoc with women when he was 24 and I think he still is now.  I said if he gets released there will be all these women outside in cars waiting for him. I said you will be in so much trouble so he said you would put me up Jac wouldn't you and I thought cheeky monkey still a player.  I think he needs to be with his male friends or I suggested a one way ticket to Australia

[chochokeira]

Choch, JM was surely deeply dodgy, but found herself out of her depth. I don't think that she lied, once she was under oath.

She claimed that Jeremy became increasingly bitter towards his family in late 1984. Yet, aside form the extended family who seem intent on portraying him as evil, other witnesses said the opposite was true, that he was settling down as he matured and that the relationships wer improving.

The man in charge of the WHF part of the Smith charity, I forget his name, said that he felt Jeremy was making a good farmer and that he was happy for him to take over the farm when the time came.