Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?

[chochokeira]

The threats became more frequent, JM is alleged to have claimed.

"They worried me a little."

Yet even if stirred to worry a little, JM told no one.

she couldnt tell anyone prior to the killings as there was nothing to tell as its all been fabricated after the murder...simple ...

Come on...if anyone really was talking like JM claimed...then you would steer well clear of them in fear for your own life.

Exactly. That's the point I'm making, smiffy, I'm attempting to post about it as objectively as I can.

[Jackiepreece]

Chocho you are good at this

In Ann eatons statement she says JB used to imitate his Dad when he was young the way he ate etc
I take this to be looking up to Neville a kind of adulation what do you think

[chochokeira]

JM said that Jeremy told her that the bicycle was for her use during the holidays but that she'd figured out why it was really there.

Nevertheless, JM claimed at the trial that she did not take any of the plans that she alleged Jeremy made to wipe out his family seriously.

Nevertheless, she warned no one, told no one, asked no for advice.

At no time does she appear to have said to Jeremy: You're a sick b*****d, I'm going and I'm never coming back.

At no time did she choose to leave and not return...he dumped her.

At no time did these evil plans JM claimed Jeremy made prompt her to tell him to get some psychiatic help - urgently.

[vidvic]

Chocho you are good at this

In Ann eatons statement she says JB used to imitate his Dad when he was young the way he ate etc
I take this to be looking up to Neville a kind of adulation what do you think

and yet, less than a year before the murders he reduced Nevill to tears at Marks Tey Hotel by embarrassing Nevill in front of his fellow farmers at a local farmers meeting.........

[chochokeira]

Chocho you are good at this

In Ann eatons statement she says JB used to imitate his Dad when he was young the way he ate etc
I take this to be looking up to Neville a kind of adulation what do you think

Yes, like you I believe he adored Nevill.

[hartley]

Chocho you are good at this

In Ann eatons statement she says JB used to imitate his Dad when he was young the way he ate etc
I take this to be looking up to Neville a kind of adulation what do you think

Yes, like you I believe he adored Nevill.

Surely those who knew the individuals involved are more qualified to give opinions regarding the relationships involved than those whose only insight is from reading a few witness statements and the like?

[vidvic]

Thanks Chocho it was 3 against me at one  point I was doing my best and along came my hero !

When they do that, talk about anything but what they want you to discuss. Talk about the weather, they'll soon get fed up.

Keira, Isn't that the point of a forum like this to discuss things?

[shonapugs]

Apparently not. Best of luck, everyone.

[Roch]

Chocho you are good at this

In Ann eatons statement she says JB used to imitate his Dad when he was young the way he ate etc
I take this to be looking up to Neville a kind of adulation what do you think

and yet, less than a year before the murders he reduced Nevill to tears at Marks Tey Hotel by embarrassing Nevill in front of his fellow farmers at a local farmers meeting.........

I regularly had my mum in tears even up to the age of 23, and often in a nasty way as well.  This is part of life.  When I gave my heartfelt apologies to her at the end of her life, she simply replied 'it's alright, that's what mums are for'.  We live and learn.

[vidvic]

Chocho you are good at this

In Ann eatons statement she says JB used to imitate his Dad when he was young the way he ate etc
I take this to be looking up to Neville a kind of adulation what do you think

and yet, less than a year before the murders he reduced Nevill to tears at Marks Tey Hotel by embarrassing Nevill in front of his fellow farmers at a local farmers meeting.........

I regularly had my mum in tears even up to the age of 23, and often in a nasty way as well.  This is part of life.  When I gave my heartfelt apologies to her at the end of her life, she simply replied 'it's alright, that's what mums are for'.  We live and learn.

I completely agree Rochford. The point I was trying to make is that immitating Nevill as a young boy does not make him incapable of murder anymore than making him cry as a young man makes him a murderer. These are both as irrelevant as each other.

[Roch]

Chocho you are good at this

In Ann eatons statement she says JB used to imitate his Dad when he was young the way he ate etc
I take this to be looking up to Neville a kind of adulation what do you think

and yet, less than a year before the murders he reduced Nevill to tears at Marks Tey Hotel by embarrassing Nevill in front of his fellow farmers at a local farmers meeting.........

I regularly had my mum in tears even up to the age of 23, and often in a nasty way as well.  This is part of life.  When I gave my heartfelt apologies to her at the end of her life, she simply replied 'it's alright, that's what mums are for'.  We live and learn.

I completely agree Rochford. The point I was trying to make is that immitating Nevill as a young boy does not make him incapable of murder anymore than making him cry as a young makes him a murderer. These are both as irrelevant as each other.

Yes totally agree.  Though I think there seems to have been a character assassination on Jeremy since 85/86.  There may be tendency among the 'JB Camp' for people to attempt to claw back any positive traits / instances etc.   

[hartley]

Where as the relatives have been caste as angels by the defence?

I think it just goes with the territory, you have try and see through it and come to your own conclusion.

[Jackiepreece]

Vidvic you have such an insight is there any incident of violence in JB s past?

[chochokeira]

Chocho you are good at this

In Ann eatons statement she says JB used to imitate his Dad when he was young the way he ate etc
I take this to be looking up to Neville a kind of adulation what do you think

and yet, less than a year before the murders he reduced Nevill to tears at Marks Tey Hotel by embarrassing Nevill in front of his fellow farmers at a local farmers meeting.........

Did you never rebel against your parents, Vic? I certainly did, for a few years I was surly, rude and aggressive. Like Jeremy, I humiliated my parents at times and got into all manner of trouble.

My two children rebelled horribly too. My son used to run away from home and we'd find him sleeping in the greenhouse. When I complained about him running up huge phone bills, mostly in order to have silent rows with his girlfriends for hours, or about his various girlfriends throwing stones at our bedroom windows in the early hours, he'd swear and run me over with his bike. He threw a cup of coffee over me one morning, so I threw one back, he followed through with his sandwiches.

My daughter was just the same, rude, aggressive; she and her friends trashed my house while I was at work.

Both my son and daughter were hell to live with from their teens to their early twenties, I thought they would never grow up and despaired of both them.

They both eventually began to change, thank goodness and now they are the loveliest children anyone could have.

A rebellious period is part of the natural development process. Almost all young people go through this horrible stage and it's complete misery for their families while they do so.

Jeremy, just like my son, was a horror to live with from his late teens to his early twenties. Then he began to settle down.

[Jackiepreece]

Rocky unfortunately I have also reduced my mum to tears before we have had some mega rows but I do love her