Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?

[Jackiepreece]

Bob and Jerry you have obviously never read Ann Eatons statement as far as I can see its hearsay. What a wicked thing to say that JB did not get on with his dad

Exactly what evidence is there to prove that fact? There is none is there I can you he loved his Dad and Ann Eaton even tripped herself up by saying JB used to copy his Dad.  I think most people would say that was adoration of Neville

She mentions SHE THINKS Nanny Speakman didnt have a photo of Jeremy in her bedroom but she had photos of everyone else.  Was that true or hearsay?  What has that got to do with the murders Bob or Jerry?  No actual evidence lets screw JB paint him in a bad light

From the very start Ann Eaton has shown an obsession wth Jeremy

She has made numerous assumptions that are far worse than I have done and as there IS NOT ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE to proof JB is responsible for the murders she is trying to blacken his name

So glaringly obvious

Come on Jerry and Bob do you really think people cant see straight through all of that

[Hartley]

Bob and Jerry you have obviously never read Ann Eatons statement as far as I can see its hearsay. What a wicked thing to say that JB did not get on with his dad

Exactly what evidence is there to prove that fact? There is none is there I can you he loved his Dad and Ann Eaton even tripped herself up by saying JB used to copy his Dad.  I think most people would say that was adoration of Neville

She mentions SHE THINKS Nanny Speakman didnt have a photo of Jeremy in her bedroom but she had photos of everyone else.  Was that true or hearsay?  What has that got to do with the murders Bob or Jerry?  No actual evidence lets screw JB paint him in a bad light

From the very start Ann Eaton has shown an obsession wth Jeremy

She has made numerous assumptions that are far worse than I have done and as there IS NOT ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE to proof JB is responsible for the murders she is trying to blacken his name

So glaringly obvious

Come on Jerry and Bob do you really think people cant see straight through all of that

Jackie, bear in mind that, that statement was taken some six years after the five murders took place.

[bob]

Bob
I have never said the David Shaw manuscript is fact where have I said that

I didn't say you did say that did I Jackie?

[Jackiepreece]

Jackie - this doesn't answer my question but I agree with the first part about people not stating as fact things that are not true. That is exactly why I discount the Shaw manuscript - as it has no sources to back up whether it is true or not. On what basis do you accept it as truth?


Bob where have I said it is true

[bob]

Jackie - this doesn't answer my question but I agree with the first part about people not stating as fact things that are not true. That is exactly why I discount the Shaw manuscript - as it has no sources to back up whether it is true or not. On what basis do you accept it as truth?


Bob where have I said it is true

Is it not true then?

[Jackiepreece]

Hartley I dont understand what you mean?


When Ann says JB used to copy his Dad what do you take from that?



Bob its a manuscript I dont think it has ever been described as anything other, do you believe it to be true?

[vidvic]

Bob and Jerry you have obviously never read Ann Eatons statement as far as I can see its hearsay. What a wicked thing to say that JB did not get on with his dad

Exactly what evidence is there to prove that fact? There is none is there I can you he loved his Dad and Ann Eaton even tripped herself up by saying JB used to copy his Dad.  I think most people would say that was adoration of Neville

She mentions SHE THINKS Nanny Speakman didnt have a photo of Jeremy in her bedroom but she had photos of everyone else.  Was that true or hearsay?  What has that got to do with the murders Bob or Jerry?  No actual evidence lets screw JB paint him in a bad light

From the very start Ann Eaton has shown an obsession wth Jeremy

She has made numerous assumptions that are far worse than I have done and as there IS NOT ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE to proof JB is responsible for the murders she is trying to blacken his name

So glaringly obvious

Come on Jerry and Bob do you really think people cant see straight through all of that

Jackie, you have absolutely NO idea of Ann's relationship with Jeremy. The only people that do are Ann and Jeremy. Ann can say what she wants in a statement and it's up to the jury to decide and the defence to question. Just because she had a poor opinion of Jeremy does not make her wrong or untruthful.

Jackie, a question for you. If your couson had been killed and she had left her bloodstained knickers from her period to soak in a bucket, would you not wash them before throwing them away, as Ann did. Would you not want to protect her modesty even in death? Seems perfectly natural and caring to me.

[Hartley]

Hartley I dont understand what you mean?

Sorry if I wasn't clear.

What I mean is that their initial suspicions regarding JB's horrific actions have been found out to be true and he's been convicted of multiple murder in a court of law. Now regardless if there was or wasn't any animosity between the other relatives and Jeremy prior to his conviction, you can absolutely bet your life that there was, after his conviction. So it's hardly surprising that the statement to COLP six years later doesn't try to show JB in a particularly pleasant light, he's not so long ago murdered five members of their family in cold blood.   

[vidvic]

Jackie, I have another question for you.

Name me one action, that you know Jeremy to have done, that was for the benefit of his Mother, Father or sister. One selfless act.

[Jackiepreece]

Hartley
The bloody clothes would have been thrown away (it is my belief there is still something suspicious about that)

[Jackiepreece]

Vidvic how on earth could I know that
You put that question to me knowing I do not know the answer so its a stupid question but I will ask him

[Jerry]

Bob and Jerry you have obviously never read Ann Eatons statement as far as I can see its hearsay. What a wicked thing to say that JB did not get on with his dad

This may help improve your memory.

[Hartley]

Hartley
The bloody clothes would have been thrown away (it is my belief there is still something suspicious about that)

Now it's my turn to not understand what you mean?

If you are referring to the blood stained clothes in soak which Ann washed and then threw in the bin, then there is nothing suspicious about that at all, the house had ceased being a live crime scene and it was handed over to the relatives to clean up. They proceeded to do so.

[Jackiepreece]

Sorry if I wasn't clear.

What I mean is that their initial suspicions regarding JB's horrific actions have been found out to be true and he's been convicted of multiple murder in a court of law. Now regardless if there was or wasn't any animosity between the other relatives and Jeremy prior to his conviction, you can absolutely bet your life that there was, after his conviction. So it's hardly surprising that the statement to COLP six years later doesn't try to show JB in a particularly pleasant light, he's not so long ago murdered five members of their family in cold blood. 

Hartley re the above,  hasnt been found out to be true thats why the case is still under investigation and that is why law students are petitioning the ccrc to get more evidence released.  When everything is released to do with this case then we can have this discussion again.
It is true the relatives would like this to go away but its not is it!

Hartley are you aware juries make mistakes and Hartley are you aware Appeal Court Judges make mistakes and Hartley are you aware there have been numerous cases of miscarriages of justice

[vidvic]

Vidvic how on earth could I know that
You put that question to me knowing I do not know the answer so its a stupid question but I will ask him

you didn't answer my question regarding the knickers.