Brett Collins

[ngb1066]

..and Julie gave a statement about that deal in 2002, which you evidently refuse to acknowledge.

I acknowledge that she made a statement in 2002, but I do not believe that portrays a complete and accurate picture of what happened.  Since 2002 very important additional material has been obtained and in a fresh appeal this could be properly presented.

 

[Steve_uk]

People thought Myra Hindley to be an intelligent affable woman.
Ted Bundy was a highly intelligent and extremely charming man.

Killers don't have a tattoo on their head saying 'bad killer inside'.

It doesn't make someone a liar that they found JB to be of sound character, or JM to be of dubious character - that was their own impression. Others found the opposite. Some folks like me, others don't.

The nature of JB relationship with his parents is a factor to the possible motive. We will likely never really know his true feelings towards them, and it may well be a mix of love and hate (as countless young men and women might attest to their own relationships with parents). It's not unusual to hate your parents.

The question isn't 'do kids who hate their parents kill them?' - because we know very well that most don't.
It is more a case of 'does someone who kills their parents, tend to hate them?' and they typically do.

These are quality posts and I hope all members are reading them.

[Steve_uk]

I acknowledge that she made a statement in 2002, but I do not believe that portrays a complete and accurate picture of what happened.  Since 2002 very important additional material has been obtained and in a fresh appeal this could be properly presented.

Surprising then that Jeremy heretofore has been almost silent about Julie.  Why do you think this is, ngb1066, when we know for the record that he is not averse to writing nasty letters or otherwise inconveniencing other individuals connected to the case when it suits?

[ngb1066]

Surprising then that Jeremy heretofore has been almost silent about Julie.  Why do you think this is, ngb1066, when we know for the record that he is not averse to writing nasty letters or otherwise inconveniencing other individuals connected to the case when it suits?

He was always very open in my discussions with him and was prepared to talk in detail about Julie Mugford.
 

[JackieD]

I don't.
That is why I gave both options. IF she had already shot someone, then the call ought to have said 'she's shot someone'
If she had NOT shot someone, yet was going berserk, why did June, and the twins not wake up?

Furthermore, with either option, her 'berserk' behaviour was not particularly random, she shot each at close range, in what could only be described as a fairly controlled and logical manner, whilst not shooting at any other object - which is at odds with 'berserk'

My scenario is at the time of the call June and the twins would not have been awake or were just waking. I know some children sleep through anything

As for controlled firing of the gun, none of us really know the answer to that question apart from Sheila but they were close range

I also don’t understand ritual cleaning which I think as been discussed by an expert so is feasable

[JackieD]

No I have never been in trouble with the law. I believe 11 million adults in the UK have a criminal record, but I'm not one of them, fortunately.

No I meant did Julie ever steal from you as she was involved in numerous illegal activities

[JackieD]

These are quality posts and I hope all members are reading them.

The word is possibie

[JackieD]

Surprising then that Jeremy heretofore has been almost silent about Julie.  Why do you think this is, ngb1066, when we know for the record that he is not averse to writing nasty letters or otherwise inconveniencing other individuals connected to the case when it suits?

Which nasty letters

[TheBrilliantMistake]

My scenario is at the time of the call June and the twins would not have been awake or were just waking. I know some children sleep through anything

As for controlled firing of the gun, none of us really know the answer to that question apart from Sheila but they were close range

I also don’t understand ritual cleaning which I think as been discussed by an expert so is feasable

So it is your assertion that whilst Shiela was going berserk, and then subsequently killed Neville, the twins slept through, and June was just stirring? How do you explain her sleeping through Neville being shot upstairs prior to coming down?

[JackieD]

What would you suggest June did if she heard a big commotion down stairs
Go down or stay in bed until everything dies down

[TheBrilliantMistake]

What would you suggest June did if she heard a big commotion down stairs
Go down or stay in bed until everything dies down

Tend to the children at the very least

[Jan]

..and Julie gave a statement about that deal in 2002, which you evidently refuse to acknowledge.

And did it reveal when the deal was made or signed ?

No.

[Jan]

Surprising then that Jeremy heretofore has been almost silent about Julie.  Why do you think this is, ngb1066, when we know for the record that he is not averse to writing nasty letters or otherwise inconveniencing other individuals connected to the case when it suits?

I have never heard Julie claim he has written nasty letters to her .


So you must mean Colin ?


Any others ?

[gringo]

..and Julie gave a statement about that deal in 2002, which you evidently refuse to acknowledge.

   She couldn't remember when she signed the contract according to her 2002 statement. Why would anyone refuse to acknowledge it? She can't remember, allegedly, whether she signed pre or post trial.
    It makes it sound more likely that the contract was signed pre trial.

[lookout]

When you have the like of RWB who put Julie on to the same firm of solicitors as himself, you've got to question the integrity of the solicitor who Julie had and I say that the signing was done pre-trial to fit in with everyone else's greed !