Discussion on motive

[Adam]

Well all of reply 8 doesn't prove Bamber is guilty.There is obviously plenty of suggested proof but nothing concrete. Inductive reasoning or generalisation based on probability can't be accepted as proof.

Just to clarify. I am only a casual observer of this case and I would like nothing better than a "smoking gun" fact to emerge. But so far it hasn't.

Not sure how forensic evidence provided by the Court of Appeal is not concrete. There is also other forensic evidence.

A smoking gun would be CCTV of him entering/exiting WHF on the night. Or the silencer with Sheila's blood in found at his flat. If that is what you require, then as you said, you would not have voted 'guilty'.

[lookout]

Not forgetting that it was also RWB's blood group too !

[Kaldin]

Not forgetting that it was also RWB's blood group too !

Do you really think that's plausible though? I'm not convinced that RB would know that he had the same blood group as Sheila. Even if he did, it's quite a leap to imagine how his blood got right inside the silencer.

[Adam]

The main things put forward by supporters on the silencer are -

It was not Sheila's blood. It was a mixture of Nevill's and June's. This still badly incriminates Bamber.  It means the silencer was used & Sheila then hid it away for no reason. It also means Sheila put the silencer on as Bamber said he left the rifle minus the silencer.

Bamber has said his cousins framed him. But has not elaborated or said whether this was with police assistance.

It has been suggested that Stan Jones fabricated the silencer and got the relatives on board.

[Adam]

Regarding the scratches, it is claimed the crime scene photos do not show scratches. This is not correct & it is impossible to determine from the photos.

It is also claimed the floor underneath the scratches did not show any debris. This will be correct as the scratches were too feint to produce debris.

[lookout]

Do you really think that's plausible though? I'm not convinced that RB would know that he had the same blood group as Sheila. Even if he did, it's quite a leap to imagine how his blood got right inside the silencer.

Isn't that the silencer that was taken to bits ? That being the case there's every possible chance of the baffles going back into it in different positions than when they were removed ? RWB had cut his finger somehow so blood would have been transferred. I would have said it was his hard luck that he happened to have had the same blood as Sheila.

[lookout]

There were more than just Jeremy who'd wanted to have got their grubby little mitts on that estate !

[Adam]

The defence at trial did not suggest any of the supporter suggestions in replies 63 and 64.

[David1819]

Regarding the scratches, it is claimed the crime scene photos do not show scratches. This is not correct & it is impossible to determine from the photos.

It is also claimed the floor underneath the scratches did not show any debris. This will be correct as the scratches were too feint to produce debris.

There was half a square inch of paint chipped off the shelf.

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,887.0.html

Page 1 has images of the aga. There was no possibility of any debris falling onto the floor from those scratches.

[Adam]

This from the COA -

80.

Having seen what they believed to be red paint on the moderator, members of the deceased's family returned to the farmhouse and examined the red painted mantel shelf above the Aga in the kitchen. On the underside they found what appeared to be recent damage.

On 14 August 1985 the underside of the mantel shelf was examined by one of the scenes of crime officers, DI Cook. He found score marks and took a sample of the paint from the area. The paint sample was compared with the paint recovered from the knurled end of the moderator and each was found to contain the same fifteen layers of paint and varnish.

On 1 October 1985 casts were taken of the marks and impressions found on the underside of the shelf. These were also consistent with having been caused by the moderator and there had been more than one contact between it and the shelf.

[Adam]

75.

Traces of blood in the form of smears were found in three places on the outside of the moderator: on the flat surface at the muzzle end, in the knurled end and in the ridge at the gun end of the device.

The blood on the outside of the moderator was confirmed to be of human origin but there were insufficient quantities to permit grouping analysis.

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Didn't know there was also human blood on the outside of the moderator.

[Kaldin]

Isn't that the silencer that was taken to bits ? That being the case there's every possible chance of the baffles going back into it in different positions than when they were removed ? RWB had cut his finger somehow so blood would have been transferred. I would have said it was his hard luck that he happened to have had the same blood as Sheila.

I don't recall any of the family admitting that they took the silencer to bits.

If that did happen, I wouldn't say it was RB's hard luck that he had the same blood group as Sheila.

[Kaldin]

75.

Traces of blood in the form of smears were found in three places on the outside of the moderator: on the flat surface at the muzzle end, in the knurled end and in the ridge at the gun end of the device.

The blood on the outside of the moderator was confirmed to be of human origin but there were insufficient quantities to permit grouping analysis.

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Didn't know there was also human blood on the outside of the moderator.

You didn't know? How many times have I said that it was absurd that Jeremy would put the silencer away with blood on it?

[Adam]

You didn't know? How many times have I said that it was absurd that Jeremy would put the silencer away with blood on it?

Do you believe the relatives or police put Sheila's blood on the outside and inside of the moderator. Along with the aga paint.

Or was it a joint effort?