Discussion on motive

[Adam]

Don't see why Jeremy would clean the moderator. He would not notice small amounts of blood on and in a small dark item in dark rooms.

It may have been a spur of the moment decision to remove the silencer after shooting Sheila. After realising the rifle with moderator was too long. So he would not have had a pre arranged plan with it.

He put it away, almost hidden. Not expecting the police to look at it. They didn't.

[Adam]

It could only be the police who started the moderator frame. Then asked the relatives to say they found it.

There is over 60 other pieces of forensic evidence which only the police could have created in an industrial frame. They would have no hesitation fabricating the moderator as well if they thought the relatives would assist. 

[Kaldin]

Do you believe the relatives or police put Sheila's blood on the outside and inside of the moderator. Along with the aga paint.

Or was it a joint effort?

Not really, but I also don't get why Jeremy would put the silencer away with blood and paint clearly visible on it. He would at least have cleaned the outside.

[Adam]

Not really, but I also don't get why Jeremy would put the silencer away with blood and paint clearly visible on it. He would at least have cleaned the outside.

He made a mistake. One of several.

At first it was not a problem. However the relatives started searching while he was on holiday (another mistake).

[lookout]

You don't make a " mistake " when putting away an object coated with blood and paint  Unless you're crackers altogether.

[Kaldin]

He made a mistake. One of several.

At first it was not a problem. However the relatives started searching while he was on holiday (another mistake).

A mistake? I don't believe that. He then made a further mistake by letting the relatives have a key to the house?

There's only one reason he would remove the silencer from the scene, and that's that he realised Sheila's blood would be on or in the silencer. It's absurd that he wouldn't have at least cleaned the outside of it before putting it somewhere where anyone could find it.

[Adam]

A mistake? I don't believe that. He then made a further mistake by letting the relatives have a key to the house?

There's only one reason he would remove the silencer from the scene, and that's that he realised Sheila's blood would be on or in the silencer. It's absurd that he wouldn't have at least cleaned the outside of it before putting it somewhere where anyone could find it.

You don't believe the blood and paint got on there through Bamber committing the massacre. And you do not believe the police or relatives fabricated the silencer. Alone or together.

Maybe it was WHF fairies.

[lookout]

I don't doubt that the silencer had been " used " but not in the sense of its use. My common sense tells me that Sheila had tried to fit it on the rifle while in the kitchen and with already blooded hands cross-threaded it onto the rifle causing it to be unstable. The length and instability of it was then underestimated and it scraped along the fireplace until she removed it and put it back while still in the kitchen. Sheila hadn't cared/worried about her blood being on it had she ?

[Adam]

I don't doubt that the silencer had been " used " but not in the sense of its use. My common sense tells me that Sheila had tried to fit it on the rifle while in the kitchen and with already blooded hands cross-threaded it onto the rifle causing it to be unstable. The length and instability of it was then underestimated and it scraped along the fireplace until she removed it and put it back while still in the kitchen. Sheila hadn't cared/worried about her blood being on it had she ?

Yes it is correct that it was 100% Sheila's blood. Nevill and June's blood somehow mixing together is a non starter.

You believe Nevill was in the shower while Sheila put the silencer on & got the rifle & magazine ready. Why do you believe he had a shower so late?

[Kaldin]

You don't believe the blood and paint got on there through Bamber committing the massacre. And you do not believe the police or relatives fabricated the silencer. Alone or together.

Maybe it was WHF fairies.

I'm wondering if the silencer was in the bedroom, and someone else put it in the cupboard.

[Kaldin]

Yes it is correct that it was 100% Sheila's blood. Nevill and June's blood somehow mixing together is a non starter.

You believe Nevill was in the shower while Sheila put the silencer on & got the rifle & magazine ready. Why do you believe he had a shower so late?

It's not a non-starter. There is a high chance that June's DNA was in the silencer - as was established many years later.

[lookout]

I'm wondering if the silencer was in the bedroom, and someone else put it in the cupboard.

This is what I'd read years ago and mentioned it not long ago. I'd read that it was an officer who'd found it near/under the bed and took it downstairs.

[lookout]

None of them have been altogether truthful simply because when it had been announced that it was a murder suicide, it was a " case closed " and so began the movements of items/ bodies until it was decided a month later that things had taken a twist which turned to murder. So what we NEED to see are documents relating to the murder/suicide----it's as simple as that.

[Adam]

I'm wondering if the silencer was in the bedroom, and someone else put it in the cupboard.

Mike might have some information on that.

[arthur]

A mistake? I don't believe that. He then made a further mistake by letting the relatives have a key to the house?

There's only one reason he would remove the silencer from the scene, and that's that he realised Sheila's blood would be on or in the silencer. It's absurd that he wouldn't have at least cleaned the outside of it before putting it somewhere where anyone could find it.

There could've been a second reason for removing the silencer and that is with the silencer fitted, it was very difficult or impossible for Sheila to reach the trigger and fire it at the trajectory of the entry wounds.