PC Bird - description of gun cupboard

[Caroline]

Ever seen a psychotic attack ? Pacing, flailing the arms about, manic, damage done to whatever or whoever's in the way, shouting. There's no memory of their actions.

None of which Sheila was doing although this isn't a description I am familiar with.

[lookout]

None of which Sheila was doing although this isn't a description I am familiar with.

They're really unpredictable similar to those who have bi-polar.

[Caroline]

They're really unpredictable similar to those who have bi-polar.

I lived with one for years Lookout and your description just isn't familiar. I also know someone who is bi-polar and again, it doesn't fit.

[Steve_uk]

Nice find Steve!

Thank you Kaldin. It's from this thread: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6961.0.html

[lookout]

I lived with one for years Lookout and your description just isn't familiar. I also know someone who is bi-polar and again, it doesn't fit.

It depends on the individual. Some dementia sufferers act out of character and can be violent.

[Kaldin]

I think we have to remember that people who aren't psychotic (or neurotic) can only see or perceive the sufferer from their own point of view. They can only observe the outward signs, they can't see the feelings of the sufferer.

In schizophrenia there is a detachment from reality, and the sufferer doesn't know the difference between what's real and what isn't, or they might be aware of what's not real but they can't overcome the feeling that it's real. They might then act in a way which reflects the delusions they're under. That might mean being violent or agitated, or it might mean curling up in a chair and appearing to be devoid of any emotion.

[lookout]

In A&E we used to have patients who'd suffered injuries from bi-polar sufferers, horrendous and unbelievable.

[David1819]

Well that’s another topic then.

No its very much the same topic. Only difference is when the silencer was last placed in the cupboard.

[lookout]

In A&E we used to have patients who'd suffered injuries from bi-polar sufferers, horrendous and unbelievable.

Usually women !

[Kaldin]

No its very much the same topic. Only difference is when the silencer was last placed in the cupboard.

So you think that the silencer had been placed in the box the last time it was taken off, and it never came out of the box that night.

There's been a lot of talk about whether or not the rifle fitted in the gun cupboard with the silencer on, and I think there's a photo which shows it does, but only just. Do you think Jeremy or Nevill were in the habit of removing the silencer and putting it in the box every time they took it off the rifle?

[David1819]

So you think that the silencer had been placed in the box the last time it was taken off, and it never came out of the box that night.

There's been a lot of talk about whether or not the rifle fitted in the gun cupboard with the silencer on, and I think there's a photo which shows it does, but only just. Do you think Jeremy or Nevill were in the habit of removing the silencer and putting it in the box every time they took it off the rifle?

According to Jeremy the rifle wouldn't fit in its case with the moderator attached. Leaving it in a box with the ammo and scope would be the logical place to put it. They are not going to place it in the microwave or the wine cabinet.

[Kaldin]

According to Jeremy the rifle wouldn't fit in its case with the moderator attached. Leaving it in a box with the ammo and scope would be the logical place to put it. They are not going to place it the microwave or the wine cabinet.

Yes, but I'm wondering if he ever bothered to put it away in its case. It didn't seem to be in the case when Anthony Pargeter saw it. Of course, Nevill might have stored the gun differently to Jeremy.

[David1819]

Yes, but I'm wondering if he ever bothered to put it away in its case. It didn't seem to be in the case when Anthony Pargeter saw it. Of course, Nevill might have stored the gun differently to Jeremy.

What do you mean "when Anthony Pargeter saw it"? When you see a gun, its not it its case. Otherwise you don't see it. You just see a case.

[sami]

What do you mean "when Anthony Pargeter saw it"? When you see a gun, its not it its case. Otherwise you don't see it. You just see a case.

did it fit in the case with the silencer on

[guest7363]

did it fit in the case with the silencer on

Apparently not Sami, but it fit in the gun cupboard with the silencer on? I would have thought the only time it went in a case would be to go shooting away from the farm?  Would you agree mate.