PC Bird - description of gun cupboard

[David1819]

So a silencer that was frequently used and wasn’t dangerous was put away for some reason either just prior to the murders (Because Jeremy has used it frequent)  or just after the murders? 

So really the question of how far back in the cupboard is all that’s at issue really.

The silencer was in the gun cupboard along with all the other gun related items. For the same reason my drill is in the tool cupboard with all my other tools.

You really are making something out of nothing here.

[guest7363]

It was apparently in a box. It wouldn't matter where the box was if no police officers looked in it.

So it was either put away for no reason or put away for a reason then?

[sami]

It was apparently in a box. It wouldn't matter where the box was if no police officers looked in it.

thats quite true.i think lookout may have said it with hindsight.

[guest7363]

The silencer was in the gun cupboard along with all the other gun related items. For the same reason my drill is in the tool cupboard with all my other tools.

You really are making something out of nothing here.

What at the back of the cupboard and used regular, if it’s something out of nothing don’t get involved then? 

[Steve_uk]

   It is definitely significant, Kaldin. It is discussed here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9559.30.html

   Photographs of the gun cupboard were taken by Bird. The negative strips which include said pictures have been cut and removed sometime between 2001 and 2012. Full strips of negatives had been cut into partial and sliced strips by 2012. The strips were tampered with on several occasions by EP with more being removed each time. The number of negatives dwindling each time some expert inspected them on behalf of the defence. Peter Sutherst was one of the experts. Prior to each visit, EP have cut and removed negatives.
   The following, absolute gem of a quote regarding this issue, reveals the mendacity around this case:

   "As stated above, on the occasions when the negative strips have been cut short, the subject matter(with the exception of the gun cupboard) is not of significance to the issues which may affect the safety of the conviction."

   Parse that statement.
   No explanation is offered as to how the CCRC managed to conclude that negatives that they hadn't seen were of no significance. No explanation given by EP for unprecedented tampering with evidence on an ongoing basis over years. Each time a defence expert inspected the slides pertaining to some upcoming appeal/submission, EP had "curated" the negatives prior to the visit. The number of negatives was reduced every time they were inspected.
   Where the issues were so glaring that even gatekeepers like the CCRC couldn't completely ignore it, they stick an admission into brackets whilst skirting around it by telling you that it doesn't really matter.
   The CCRC literally admit that the missing negatives of the gun cupboard are significant to the safety of the conviction. The missing negatives are missing because EP removed them prior to inspection for unknown reasons. They frame words around this to make it appear unimportant but what they are actually saying is this:
   "The negative strips of the gun cupboard have been cut short by EP. The CCRC considers this of significance to the safety of the conviction."

   There is nothing that is contradicted by the CCRC in the above statement made by me.
    The missing negatives that show the state of the gun cupboard, that you refer to, have been cut and removed by EP so I am sure it is of huge significance.
    The cupboard in which the relatives "found" the silencer had pictures taken of it but EP have removed them in unsatisfactorily explained circumstances.
   

   

   

They shouldn't have done that, if it's true.

A snippet here on the gun cupboard: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19861024&id=GoJDAAAAIBAJ&sjid=q6UMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2005,5924099&hl=en

[David1819]

What at the back of the cupboard and used regular, if it’s something out of nothing don’t get involved then?

A) We don't know if DB is being truthful or not and

B) Officer Woodcock moved stuff in that cupboard on the 7th.

How can you possibly be sure it was at the back? 

[Kaldin]

Nice find Steve!

[Kaldin]

Back of the cupboard - what does that mean? The cupboard was about three feet deep. I think it extended to the right underneath the stairs. The box couldn't really have been on the extreme right because it was about a foot high. If it was merely against the back wall of the cupboard, it would have been quite visible to anyone looking in the cupboard. However, they would only see the silencer if they opened the box.

[lookout]

If the damn thing had horns it would have poked the 5 gormless officers who'd looked in there.

[guest7363]

Back of the cupboard - what does that mean? The cupboard was about three feet deep. I think it extended to the right underneath the stairs. The box couldn't really have been on the extreme right because it was about a foot high. If it was merely against the back wall of the cupboard, it would have been quite visible to anyone looking in the cupboard. However, they would only see the silencer if they opened the box.

So he’s saying that Sheila must have put the silencer on, who put it away then at the back of the cupboard 😂😂😂. David thinks this is a waste of time, but to me it’s very important.

[sami]

If the damn thing had horns it would have poked the 5 gormless officers who'd looked in there.

but they were not looking for it ,its at a time when they believed taff

[sami]

So he’s saying that Sheila must have put the silencer on, who put it away then at the back of the cupboard 😂😂😂. David thinks this is a waste of time, but to me it’s very important.

i agree rj it is a important point

[lookout]

I think Sheila had tried to put the silencer on but cross-threaded it because of her unsteadiness, but it was never used. Only as a bashing instrument at Nevill.

[sami]

I think Sheila had tried to put the silencer on but cross-threaded it because of her unsteadiness, but it was never used. Only as a bashing instrument at Nevill.

i think its more likely the butt end was used for the bashing up

[susan]

sami I agree the butt end of the rifle was used for bashing (horrible word but cannot think of a different one)