PC Bird - description of gun cupboard

[guest7363]

See, when people say the "back" of the cupboard, do the mean the back wall or the back as in to the far right of the cupboard?

Bird is asked in court if he looked in the gun cupboard

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7638.0;attach=44748

[Kaldin]

Bird is asked in court if he looked in the gun cupboard

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7638.0;attach=44748

Thanks - can't really read that. 

[guest7363]

    Don't be diverted by bullshit, Kaldin. All the crap about the regularity of the use of the silencer/scope is distraction from the issue that you raised on the opening post.
    Pictures were taken of the gun cupboard on the 7/8/85.
    Sometime after the 7/8/85 the relatives "discovered" a bloodied silencer in a box from said gun cupboard.
    Photographic experts were sent by the defence to inspect the negatives of all photos taken. There were three separate visits between 2001 and 2012.
     
    9/10/2002 John Macleod viewed the negatives. He viewed 429 negatives, 249 had been cut and removed.
    1/10/2008 Peter Sutherst viewed the negatives.He viewed 416 negatives, 262 had been cut and removed.
    "011 (date not given) CCRC appointed photographic experts to inspect the negatives. They viewed 406 negatives, 272 had been removed.

     Some of those negatives that show the gun cupboard on 7/8/85 have been removed by EP. These missing negatives are significant, according to the CCRC who admit this whilst trying to downplay it.
     Why were EP busy curating the photographic record and why have they disposed of so many? The question is rhetorical really. There are no reasonable explanations for this. It is reasonable to conclude that EP have removed negatives that would contradict their lies about the gun cupboard/finding of the moderator.
     Those who argue that Bamber is guilty full well understand the implications of the above and also understand why EP have removed them. This is why they attempt to divert you with irrelevant side issues. 
     

Im not bothered one bit about persuading anyone, it’s debate between me and Kaldin, so stop your usual shit stirring and piss orf

[guest7363]

Thanks - can't really read that. 

Kaldin I’m not one minute trying to persuade or influence, I’m debating that’s all, don’t listen to that crap, I can switch of or stay I’m not bothered one bit, but if we can get nearer the truth then we deabate.

[gringo]

They persist in managing the case even now. That suggests that the case is a highly sensitive one for them and possibly certain other authorities.

   Anyone with an IQ above room temperature can see this, Roch. It is blatantly obvious that the photographic record from the day of the killings shows the crime scene as it was.
   From the very start of the case the photographic record was being tampered with. Some of the fabrications made by the prosecution, eg. the silencer, would be exposed by the photographic record made on the day. As a consequence negatives that challenged the official narrative were removed.
   Over the years as appeals etc. have been ongoing, it is apparent that EP have further "edited" the negatives removing more each time prior to inspection. The motives for doing so seem obvious but for those who believe the explanations to be "innocent" despite having no plausible explanation, the CCRC spelt it out, albeit obliquely.
    EP removed negatives of the gun cupboard which were of significance to the safety of the conviction.
    It is simply naive at this point to believe that EP are not covering up lies.

[gringo]

Im not bothered one bit about persuading anyone, it’s debate between me and Kaldin, so stop your usual shit stirring and piss orf

   It's a debate on a public forum. I will judge when and where to post and which of my posts are shit stirring or otherwise and I won't piss off just because you would like me to.

[lookout]

In Jeremy's blog of the 1st of August 2018 he states that there were 272 case images that were never shown to his defence team nor himself. Some of these images probably showed all the guns in the house, including those belonging to Anthony Pargeter, the telephone that JB supposedly hid in magazines actually being on the shelf in the office, and no doubt that Sheila had been moved.

[Caroline]

   Anyone with an IQ above room temperature can see this, Roch. It is blatantly obvious that the photographic record from the day of the killings shows the crime scene as it was.
   From the very start of the case the photographic record was being tampered with. Some of the fabrications made by the prosecution, eg. the silencer, would be exposed by the photographic record made on the day. As a consequence negatives that challenged the official narrative were removed.
   Over the years as appeals etc. have been ongoing, it is apparent that EP have further "edited" the negatives removing more each time prior to inspection. The motives for doing so seem obvious but for those who believe the explanations to be "innocent" despite having no plausible explanation, the CCRC spelt it out, albeit obliquely.
    EP removed negatives of the gun cupboard which were of significance to the safety of the conviction.
    It is simply naive at this point to believe that EP are not covering up lies.

Here you go again with your Emperor's new clothes approach - 'you must be stupid if you don't agree with me' 

[guest7363]

   It's a debate on a public forum. I will judge when and where to post and which of my posts are shit stirring or otherwise and I won't piss off just because you would like me to.

You tell Kaldin not to listen to bullshit, there’s only me debating with him so you mean me, so go and bury your head somewhere or come up with something constructive, it’s Bamber who says he removed the silencer two to three times during the week before the murders, not me who says it trouble maker, Kaldin is clever enough to think for himself without your useless input.

[gringo]

In Jeremy's blog of the 1st of August 2018 he states that there were 272 case images that were never shown to his defence team nor himself. Some of these images probably showed all the guns in the house, including those belonging to Anthony Pargeter, the telephone that JB supposedly hid in magazines actually being on the shelf in the office, and no doubt that Sheila had been moved.

   Not only Jeremy states it. It is beyond dispute, Lookout. The number of missing negatives steadily growing through the years.
    From 249 to 262 to 272, the number of missing negatives diminishing in direct proportion to the growing questions.

[gringo]

You tell Kaldin not to listen to bullshit, there’s only me debating with him so you mean me, so go and bury your head somewhere or come up with something constructive, it’s Bamber who says he removed the silencer two to three times during the week before the murders, not me who says it trouble maker, Kaldin is clever enough to think for himself without your useless input.

   Aw diddums are your feelings hurt. I am pissing off out now for a few hours. When I get back I will post where I want and what I want and if you consider it shit stirring, tough.

[guest7363]

   Aw diddums are your feelings hurt. I am pissing off out now for a few hours. When I get back I will post where I want and what I want and if you consider it shit stirring, tough.

Ok Shit stirrer, not hurt me you did what you set out to do, stop debate by two people not arguing, you wasn’t happy because some truth was coming out and you couldn’t add your usual lies.

[guest7363]

   Not only Jeremy states it. It is beyond dispute, Lookout. The number of missing negatives steadily growing through the years.
    From 249 to 262 to 272, the number of missing negatives diminishing in direct proportion to the growing questions.

What Jeremy states is full of lies along with yours.

[sami]

What Jeremy states is full of lies along with yours.

exactly rj.a proven liar .as in the case of admitting in court he had never seen sheila fire a gun as an adult.so when is was telling officers that night ,that sheila had used all the guns in the house and was proficient at using them

[guest7363]

exactly rj.a proven liar .as in the case of admitting in court he had never seen sheila fire a gun as an adult.so when is was telling officers that night ,that sheila had used all the guns in the house and was proficient at using them

Well spotted Sami 👍