Conflicting Statements

[sami]

And I'm sticking to my own gut-feeling of innocent.

and why shouldnt you,you have every right ,iam going guilty as i had a hunch back then and nothing has made me change my mind

[guest7363]

The claim that everyone at the scene from EP believed Jeremy was guilty par Taff Jones is a myth. The fact of matter is everyone at the scene from EP was of the view that Sheila was responsible and the only person who thought otherwise was Stan Jones who had nothing substancial to support his view.

you've quoted Vanezis statement, 7 EP were present, not everyone who had been to the scene, although they still thought murder suicide a day after, listening to Stan had kept their minds open to Jeremy being responsible.  Of course he didn’t have enough evidence a day after, he stated that he was unhappy with  the reaction he was getting from Bamber, maybe he spotted false remorse or conflicts in what he was telling different quarters, remember at this stage he was the one who had most contact with Bamber.

[guest7363]

So it seems there is only Cross examination of Jeremy Bamber available at trial?

The Appellant's Evidence at Trial

No transcript has survived as to the appellant's evidence in chief, although it seems clear from the summing up that it was entirely consistent with that which he had told the police. A transcript of his cross-examination is available. In cross-examination the appellant said Sheila Caffell had frequent delusions and had spoken to him of suicide.

And for any doubters, he agreed at trial HE DID DRIVE SLOWLY when asked to come over quickly.

Having received the telephone call from his father, the appellant said that it had not crossed his mind to use the 999 system to call the police. Instead he described spending a little time looking up the number for Colchester Police Station. On that particular page of the directory (which he was shown in the witness box) it reads in bold type, "In emergency call the operator (dial 999 where appropriate) and ask for the police". The appellant agreed that on his account, even though his father had asked him to come quickly, he had then telephoned Julie Mugford and then DRIVEN SLOWLY to the farmhouse. He agreed it would also have been possible for him to have called one of the farm workers. He said he had not considered that.

[lookout]

So----he drove slowly ?
I don't think I'd have been in any hurry to get blasted off the face of the earth.

[sami]

So----he drove slowly ?
I don't think I'd have been in any hurry to get blasted off the face of the earth.

he didnt know at the time if the gun had been fired or if anyone was hurt

[lookout]

he didnt know at the time if the gun had been fired or if anyone was hurt

Don't you think that because you believe he carried out the murders that he WOULD have known ?

[lookout]

Conflicting statements----why if Sheila knew nothing about guns, had never handled them and hadn't known " one end from another ", were her fingerprints found along with Nevill's on the shotgun ?

[guest7363]

So----he drove slowly ?
I don't think I'd have been in any hurry to get blasted off the face of the earth.

I think what it does do, it backs Bews and Myall’s statement up who said  that he was driving slowly?  Ok if he was frightened, so should two unarmed police officers be weary of events? Also why arrive several minutes later when he could have kept up with them. 

[lookout]

I think what it does do, it backs Bews and Myall’s statement up who said  that he was driving slowly?  Ok if he was frightened, so should two unarmed police officers be weary of events? Also why arrive several minutes later when he could have kept up with them.

Does it really matter ? Nothing wrong in being cautious of the unknown, is there ?

[sami]

Conflicting statements----why if Sheila knew nothing about guns, had never handled them and hadn't known " one end from another ", were her fingerprints found along with Nevill's on the shotgun ?

it may have been out of the gun cupboard in nevilles office and sheila having seen it thought it best to place it back in the gun cabinet,who knows,lookout

[lookout]

What concerns me most is the amount of lying and manipulating in the name of securing a conviction.

[lookout]

it may have been out of the gun cupboard in nevilles office and sheila having seen it thought it best to place it back in the gun cabinet,who knows,lookout

Another excuse ? I don't buy it. It was Nevill who used to secure guns in the cupboard, not Sheila.

[guest7363]

Does it really matter ? Nothing wrong in being cautious of the unknown, is there ?

The police was going into the unknown, Bamber was going into the known, he’d been brought up there. 

[sami]

Another excuse ? I don't buy it. It was Nevill who used to secure guns in the cupboard, not Sheila.

yes but is it impossible,that while neville was in the office at his desk with the shotgun out and sheila and the twins walk in to see him.its not impossible for sheila to say dad i am going to put that gun away in the cabinet

[lookout]

The police was going into the unknown, Bamber was going into the known, he’d been brought up there.

Isn't this the job of the police ?

If JB had been seen to have been speeding towards WHF, guilters would have been saying he was rushing to make sure they were all dead, or as a way of " showing a false willingness " to appear shocked. Whatever he did he couldn't do right for doing wrong.