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Offline JackieD

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« Reply #630 on: January 01, 2020, 04:43:PM »

But if he had planned everything so meticulously why did he make himself look more stupid by not calling 999 ? If it was a timing thing then just wait a bit longer and do the obvious thing ?
 You have claimed he wanted to set up the most dangerous scenario so the police would NOT go in and establish the T.O.D. So calling 999 would make more sense . The was he worded it originally was she had just got hold of the gun . So no indication of any shooting at that stage . But when the raid team were eventually called they were told it was a shooting incident ? Which the police had not established.

I find this an easy question
1) Sheila had never seriously injured anyone before
2) Jeremy would not have realised the gravity of the situation
3) They were a very private family and Jeremy probably thought it could be dealt with by the local bobbies
4) Jeremy told me himself the local police used to buy potatoes at the farm so could have been hoping he spoke to one of them
5) if social services found out about Sheila with the gun she could have lost them forever
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #631 on: January 01, 2020, 04:45:PM »
iam sure most people with info jb had would not call anyone but would jump in the car and head straight there,i know i would

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« Reply #632 on: January 01, 2020, 04:46:PM »
I find this an easy question
1) Sheila had never seriously injured anyone before
2) Jeremy would not have realised the gravity of the situation
3) They were a very private family and Jeremy probably thought it could be dealt with by the local bobbies
4) Jeremy told me himself the local police used to buy potatoes at the farm so could have been hoping he spoke to one of them
5) if social services found out about Sheila with the gun she could have lost them forever



I think you misunderstood. iF jeremy is guilty why did he not call 999 as part of his plan ?

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« Reply #633 on: January 01, 2020, 04:49:PM »


I have always tried to look at the case from both sides and it has just been suggested that the reason Julie went to Identifybthe twins and did not take her opportunity to warn the police , when she knew that jeremy had planned to kill them was she was in shock and confused . So if we are to have a fair discussion I think we have to accept that if jeremy was innocent the same should apply . I am sure the contents of the phone call and the implications would have gradually sunk in , plus him trying to recall everything that had happened the previous evening .

Just to be fair
Jan, I do try and look at it from both sides, but, it was either Jeremy or Sheila, we have Jeremy to question and answer but we don’t have Sheila or her statement I’m afraid. 

He is battling with  two lies I’m afraid and he doesn’t quite know what sounds best, sometimes, they look for reaction to how well it’s received, when he tells his story to two different party’s he will play it to the best it will be received.  He knows the 999 call is a problem so he plays the importance or the seriousness of the supposed call down a little to the police, it gives him a little wriggle room.  Yet he wants to beef the story up a little with the people  who know Sheila and her capabilities, he does it several times and it’s small changes to people who he thinks won’t get questioned or know what he’s told the police.

I’ve seen first hand guilty people do this, it’s to win support and sympathy.  The contradictions in his statements are on purpose and not by mistake.

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Re: Conflicting Statements
« Reply #634 on: January 01, 2020, 04:53:PM »


I think you misunderstood. iF jeremy is guilty why did he not call 999 as part of his plan ?

Sorry Jan, I know, if he was guilty??? he was never clever enough for any of this. To be honest he is a complete idiot to leg himself dragged into this
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #635 on: January 01, 2020, 04:57:PM »
iam sure most people with info jb had would not call anyone but would jump in the car and head straight there,i know i would
100 per cent Sami, he makes me laugh when he Bragg’s about Bewes Shitting himself when they arrived at WHF,  Bamber himself he wouldn’t go on his own and stopped at the end of paiges Lane on first inspection the Coward

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« Reply #636 on: January 01, 2020, 05:01:PM »
Jan good point if JB was guilty he would have had the sense to dial 999 as he would know it would be held against him not doing.

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« Reply #637 on: January 01, 2020, 05:03:PM »
Jan good point if JB was guilty he would have had the sense to dial 999 as he would know it would be held against him not doing.
But he needed the time to clean up. Do you really think he was flicking through the Yellow Pages for 26 minutes?

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« Reply #638 on: January 01, 2020, 05:08:PM »
But he needed the time to clean up. Do you really think he was flicking through the Yellow Pages for 26 minutes?
Happy new year Steve, let’s hope this year is good for Colin mate.

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« Reply #639 on: January 01, 2020, 05:17:PM »
But he needed the time to clean up. Do you really think he was flicking through the Yellow Pages for 26 minutes?


26 minutes from what ? A phone call that was not recorded anywhere ? Or did not happen ?

So clean up and then wait and then call 999 . You have not answered the point at all . Wait a while then call 999? What was the point of making up calls that make him look like he is telling lies ?  .
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« Reply #640 on: January 01, 2020, 05:41:PM »

26 minutes from what ? A phone call that was not recorded anywhere ? Or did not happen ?

So clean up and then wait and then call 999 . You have not answered the point at all . Wait a while then call 999? What was the point of making up calls that make him look like he is telling lies ?  .
I think in retrospect he wanted to delay entry into the Farm. As has been mentioned in a previous post he blew hot and cold trying to get them to enter and then giving reasons why they should not. Maybe he was worried Sheila was still not dead: after all he could hardly shoot her a third time.

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« Reply #641 on: January 01, 2020, 05:44:PM »
I think in retrospect he wanted to delay entry into the Farm. As has been mentioned in a previous post he blew hot and cold trying to get them to enter and then giving reasons why they should not. Maybe he was worried Sheila was still not dead: after all he could hardly shoot her a third time.

So just wait and then dial 999 .

Why did he not do that ?

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« Reply #642 on: January 01, 2020, 05:45:PM »
I think in retrospect he wanted to delay entry into the Farm. As has been mentioned in a previous post he blew hot and cold trying to get them to enter and then giving reasons why they should not. Maybe he was worried Sheila was still not dead: after all he could hardly shoot her a third time.





If the truth be known, he didn't want to risk being shot himself which is why he was in no hurry. I notice the police weren't in a hurry to smash their way in either having spent nigh on 3 hours hanging around doing nothing.

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« Reply #643 on: January 01, 2020, 05:47:PM »
Seems Colin’s girlfriend had a lot of understanding for Sheila.

He added that, encouraged by his girlfriend Heather, he tried to help Sheila through her struggle with mental health even though he didn’t fully understand it then.

Colin worked to ‘clear’ his former wife’s name at the time of the murders to try and combat the headlines written about her at the time, which he insists weren’t true.

‘What I experienced after it all happened was yes everybody accepted that Jeremy was guilty. They kept on saying to me, “But yes Sheila was a drug addict wasn’t she?”, “She used to beat the children didn’t she?” and I said “no that’s not true”.

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« Reply #644 on: January 01, 2020, 05:49:PM »
So just wait and then dial 999 .

Why did he not do that ?


Only he could answer that. However, when asked he gave no real clarification. I'll offer breathing space/and an "I hope I got it right" moment.