Conflicting Statements

[guest7363]

yes agreed very good post and I also believe the drama shouldn't affect the legal procedure either. the courts have to go on evidence presented not what a tv programme says. If its based on Carols book its all out there anyway so ok many more will think hes guilty but it wont or shoudn.t stop the court process and I am surprised his solicitors and the campaign team asked them to postpone the programme.

I wouldn’t think it would notsure, hope not anyway.

[notsure]

Jan I was involved with a hospital negligence situation once.  years ago basically we were on a family holiday, we took one of my daughters friends with us and she contracted meningitis. I don't want to go into details but once we were  home the girls parents asked us (me and another member of the group who was a nurse and came to the hospitals with me) to write down everything that had happened and the sequence of events as it was going to take years to sort.

The really weird thing was she remembered a couple of things so differently to me , I would have stood up in a court of law and sworn that what I remembered was what happened but then when I heard how she remembered things I started questioning myself. I didn't argue the point with her because I ended up believing what she said had happened was correct.

the thing is I was in shock, I was stressed when all this was happening and to this day I cannot be certain that it was me or her that was correct. memory is not always as jane says that your remember details , this was a life and death situation and the consequences have been tragic but it is easy to say you remember when really its so difficult.

[guest7363]

I was involved in an accident once where a group of people were hit by a motorcycle resulting in one serious injury . I gave a factual statement and in fact had written down notes when I got home about the weather conditions etc. Later the rider was accused of running into us deliberately . All of a sudden other factors about what happened earlier in the evening and at the time became even more important. Sometimes it’s not just changing a statement it’s about adding bits or looking at it in a different light.

However Barbara Wilson giving Jeremy a complete personality transplant to me is totally not acceptable.

Sorry to hear that Jan, I know what you mean, I worked in the coal mines and had to give a statement once and it was different to what I said in parts.  But clearly two people had said they heard Jeremy say there was a argument, yet in his statement he says everyone was happy? what’s  the CT say on this does anyone know, do they say that they were arguing?  Do you not find it funny Jeremy’s statement at court is missing?

[Jan]

Jan I was involved with a hospital negligence situation once.  years ago basically we were on a family holiday, we took one of my daughters friends with us and she contracted meningitis. I don't want to go into details but once we were  home the girls parents asked us (me and another member of the group who was a nurse and came to the hospitals with me) to write down everything that had happened and the sequence of events as it was going to take years to sort.

The really weird thing was she remembered a couple of things so differently to me , I would have stood up in a court of law and sworn that what I remembered was what happened but then when I heard how she remembered things I started questioning myself. I didn't argue the point with her because I ended up believing what she said had happened was correct.

the thing is I was in shock, I was stressed when all this was happening and to this day I cannot be certain that it was me or her that was correct. memory is not always as jane says that your remember details , this was a life and death situation and the consequences have been tragic but it is easy to say you remember when really its so difficult.

Yes similar to me when I stood up in court they sort of made me out to be a liar but all I could do was say what I thought had happened and what I had written down . And yes shock plays a part as well. Tbh whether guilty or innocent I believe Jeremy would have been in a form of shock because planning a crime and actually carrying it out are two different things .

Your case sounds very traumatic and sad ?? .

[Jane]

Jan I was involved with a hospital negligence situation once.  years ago basically we were on a family holiday, we took one of my daughters friends with us and she contracted meningitis. I don't want to go into details but once we were  home the girls parents asked us (me and another member of the group who was a nurse and came to the hospitals with me) to write down everything that had happened and the sequence of events as it was going to take years to sort.

The really weird thing was she remembered a couple of things so differently to me , I would have stood up in a court of law and sworn that what I remembered was what happened but then when I heard how she remembered things I started questioning myself. I didn't argue the point with her because I ended up believing what she said had happened was correct.

the thing is I was in shock, I was stressed when all this was happening and to this day I cannot be certain that it was me or her that was correct. memory is not always as jane says that your remember details , this was a life and death situation and the consequences have been tragic but it is easy to say you remember when really its so difficult.

I was a t college with one of three brothers whose mother, when they were approximately 7,9 and 11, left them. They were subsequently split up and never saw her again. They never each other again until they were all in their 20's when they then talked about "that" day for the first time. It was as if they were all talking about something entirely different. They all had entirely different memories of the sequence of the day's events yet they'd all suffered the loss of their mother.

[guest7363]

Jan I was involved with a hospital negligence situation once.  years ago basically we were on a family holiday, we took one of my daughters friends with us and she contracted meningitis. I don't want to go into details but once we were  home the girls parents asked us (me and another member of the group who was a nurse and came to the hospitals with me) to write down everything that had happened and the sequence of events as it was going to take years to sort.

The really weird thing was she remembered a couple of things so differently to me , I would have stood up in a court of law and sworn that what I remembered was what happened but then when I heard how she remembered things I started questioning myself. I didn't argue the point with her because I ended up believing what she said had happened was correct.

the thing is I was in shock, I was stressed when all this was happening and to this day I cannot be certain that it was me or her that was correct. memory is not always as jane says that your remember details , this was a life and death situation and the consequences have been tragic but it is easy to say you remember when really its so difficult.

Yes I can remember this notsure so sad for you.

[notsure]

Yes similar to me when I stood up in court they sort of made me out to be a liar but all I could do was say what I thought had happened and what I had written down . And yes shock plays a part as well. Tbh whether guilty or innocent I believe Jeremy would have been in a form of shock because planning a crime and actually carrying it out are two different things .

Your case sounds very traumatic and sad ?? .

Yes I believe anyone that thinks you remember every detail and time hasn't been in that situation. Its almost impossible to remember the sequence and details 100% correctly.

Yes I can hardly bring myself to talk about it and it was 10 years ago. terrible, stays with you and its hard to get over but harder for the girl as she has to live with the consequences..

anyway I was really just trying to point out about memory and what we truly believe happened isn't always as it seems

[Jane]

Yes similar to me when I stood up in court they sort of made me out to be a liar but all I could do was say what I thought had happened and what I had written down . And yes shock plays a part as well. Tbh whether guilty or innocent I believe Jeremy would have been in a form of shock because planning a crime and actually carrying it out are two different things .

Your case sounds very traumatic and sad ?? .

How bullish and confident did you feel under cross examination, Jan? I'm trying to get a feel for how, at 22, Julie may have felt. Supporters have her as nonchalant. I suspect she wasn't.

[ILB]

How bullish and confident did you feel under cross examination, Jan? I'm trying to get a feel for how, at 22, Julie may have felt. Supporters have her as nonchalant. I suspect she wasn't.

certainly was nonchalant in the aftermath of the murder to be fair Jane. Identifying Daniel and Nicholas and also enjoying Chinese meals and drinks and going on trips to amsterdam with the man ( by her own words) was their murderer....

[Jan]

Where does jeremy say they were arguing. Just re read his statements and he said there was a discussion about the twins future and how sheila could be helped , but she was not really participating , she was just sitting there ? He says roughly the same in three statements . Of course discussions can be robust but he does not make it sound like that ?

[notsure]

Yes I can remember this notsure so sad for you.

thanks RJ  ive put it behind me now  but whenever I bring the subject up it does still make me very sad. life is a bitch sometimes isn't it.

[notsure]

I was a t college with one of three brothers whose mother, when they were approximately 7,9 and 11, left them. They were subsequently split up and never saw her again. They never each other again until they were all in their 20's when they then talked about "that" day for the first time. It was as if they were all talking about something entirely different. They all had entirely different memories of the sequence of the day's events yet they'd all suffered the loss of their mother.

blimey those poor kids. I think we can all agree that both Julie and Jeremy can be forgiven for not getting everything exactly right

[susan]

Hello Notsure I would think an incident like that never completely leaves you it is always there and can be sparked off very easily

[guest7363]

thanks RJ  ive put it behind me now  but whenever I bring the subject up it does still make me very sad. life is a bitch sometimes isn't it.

Tell me about it notsure, where do you want me to start.  It made me think then about your problem it was awful for you, it’s hard to  put things behind you and well done you, what’s your secret?  I thought coming back to the forum might help, I’m afraid it hasn’t so I won’t be staying for the ride anymore, to be honest I’ve got better things to do.

[notsure]

Hi Susan, nice to see you posting, I'm here most days but only post occasionally. 

yes its hard to completely forget but one has to put it in a box otherwise life would be very depressing.

2020 new year new beginnings and all that. eh