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Offline Jane

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« Reply #60 on: December 21, 2019, 04:58:PM »




Probably which is why Jeremy didn't dial 999. They'd have all collapsed with shock !


If that's an attempt at humour, it's a poor one. We're surrounded by motorways and dual carriageways. Serious accidents occur. There are ports, there are airports....................apart from which, EVERYONE in the area, other than Jeremy, apparently, knows that when there's an emergency the number is 999.

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« Reply #61 on: December 21, 2019, 05:05:PM »
Also, it was after Nevill had called Jeremy, that JB had tried to phone his father back, got the engaged tone so possibly JB assumed that it could possibly have been his father phoning EP himself and seeing as JB couldn't get through to his father, decided to ring EP himself and if EP had been " awake " they'd have realised that two calls had come in for the same area of the incident.


You keep saying this. What number do you think Nevill would have used HAD he call the police. What do you think he might have said to Sheila HAD she been wildly brandishing a gun? WHY, at some point did Nevill not phone Jeremy back and tell him not to worry because it was all in hand, and WHY, given that you, and probably Nevill, claim Jeremy was an idle ejit with his brains in his balls, did he bother to take a chance on raising him in the first place?

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« Reply #62 on: December 21, 2019, 05:24:PM »

You keep saying this. What number do you think Nevill would have used HAD he call the police. What do you think he might have said to Sheila HAD she been wildly brandishing a gun? WHY, at some point did Nevill not phone Jeremy back and tell him not to worry because it was all in hand, and WHY, given that you, and probably Nevill, claim Jeremy was an idle ejit with his brains in his balls, did he bother to take a chance on raising him in the first place?






Obviously Nevill couldn't phone JB back if he had a gun pointing at him.


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« Reply #63 on: December 21, 2019, 05:34:PM »





Obviously Nevill couldn't phone JB back if he had a gun pointing at him.


Are you saying he allowed Sheila to walk around brandishing a gun and called Jeremy, rather than Police? What was it that suddenly, after idling away time on phoning Julie before the police, that made Jeremy change his tune about the state of his father? If the line was still open to WHF why did Jeremy not hear voices or scuffling?



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« Reply #64 on: December 21, 2019, 05:50:PM »
How do I or anyone else for that matter know how everyone conducted themselves that night ? It's no use getting on to me all the time--------ask yourself what you've asked here then try to come up with answers that are YOURS and not gleaned from others, which is what I've done all along !

Jeremy wouldn't have heard any noises coming from any open line because after he'd spoken to his father he rang JM to say they was something wrong at WHF----thus disconnecting the previous call from his father. Unfortunately, JB couldn't get through again because the hone was off the hook at the other end.

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« Reply #65 on: December 21, 2019, 06:05:PM »
I have no idea why supporters are pretending that a 999 call is the same as any other. EVERYONE (even young kids) KNOWS that when there is a serious situation you call 999 because the response time is quicker. While you are giving details, a response is already being organised.

If your father sounded 'terrified' because someone in the throws of psychosis had a gun, would you bugger about for 10 mins looking up a station number or would you get straight to it and call 999?

My point is that if Jeremy is guilty then he wouldn't have said his father sounded terrified!

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« Reply #66 on: December 21, 2019, 06:07:PM »

It baffles me beyond belief, Caroline. I just see it as yet another, but VERY poor excuse, being made for Jeremy. If any ONE of those who doubt the efficacy of calling 999 -especially back then, called a family member for help, I'm pretty certain they'd expect they'd call the emergency services on 999.

Perhaps he was stupid to call the local station, but that's not a crime.

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« Reply #67 on: December 21, 2019, 06:15:PM »
How do I or anyone else for that matter know how everyone conducted themselves that night ? It's no use getting on to me all the time--------ask yourself what you've asked here then try to come up with answers that are YOURS and not gleaned from others, which is what I've done all along !

Jeremy wouldn't have heard any noises coming from any open line because after he'd spoken to his father he rang JM to say they was something wrong at WHF----thus disconnecting the previous call from his father. Unfortunately, JB couldn't get through again because the hone was off the hook at the other end.


Because you're the one who claims to know exactly what Jeremy would have thought and done. You've condoned everything he did. Every act that others find abhorrent, you've supported. You claim to think calling 999 is a useless waste of time and that Jeremy was justified and right in wasting around 20 minutes before informing the police of the alleged call from his father. You now say that he wouldn't have heard anything because the call was disconnected, but didn't he phone back immediately? Are you now saying he phoned Julie BEFORE phoning his father back? How does that make sense when there's a gun involved? Might it not have occurred to him THEN, that something might be seriously wrong? Yet STILL he doesn't call 999.

Remember, Lookout, I once was, for a LONG time, where you are now. I heard myself saying similar words to the ones you're still saying, much of which seem to start with "but". Whatever, and whom ever the "but" is about, it's usually as an excuse for something they've done. At the very least, where there's a "but" there's doubt. I've looked, long and hard, and from every angle, and if nothing else, the alleged phone call and his response to it, is a stumbling block every time. It's a quick leap from there to recognizing that none of his behaviours signify grief and I'd previously been trying very hard to excuse it.

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« Reply #68 on: December 21, 2019, 06:16:PM »
Perhaps he was stupid to call the local station, but that's not a crime.


Then why call a second? Why call Julie? Why NOT call 999?

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« Reply #69 on: December 21, 2019, 06:18:PM »
My point is that if Jeremy is guilty then he wouldn't have said his father sounded terrified!



Had he sounded laid back, it's always possible that, at some point, such a laissez faire attitude would have come back to bite him. He had to make it sound real.

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« Reply #70 on: December 21, 2019, 06:38:PM »

Then why call a second? Why call Julie? Why NOT call 999?

Perhaps he's a bit stupid.

Look, if he really wanted to delay the police, he would have said that he'd been to the farm and it was all silent so he became afraid and went home and called the police.

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« Reply #71 on: December 21, 2019, 06:39:PM »


Had he sounded laid back, it's always possible that, at some point, such a laissez faire attitude would have come back to bite him. He had to make it sound real.

He didn't have to say anything about his father sounding terrified.
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« Reply #72 on: December 21, 2019, 06:42:PM »
He didn't have to say anything about his father sounding terrified.


It seems, despite your belief that he didn't HAVE to, that he chose to.

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« Reply #73 on: December 21, 2019, 06:44:PM »

It seems, despite your belief that he didn't HAVE to, that he chose to.

Perhaps because he was worried.

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« Reply #74 on: December 21, 2019, 06:46:PM »

Because you're the one who claims to know exactly what Jeremy would have thought and done. You've condoned everything he did. Every act that others find abhorrent, you've supported. You claim to think calling 999 is a useless waste of time and that Jeremy was justified and right in wasting around 20 minutes before informing the police of the alleged call from his father. You now say that he wouldn't have heard anything because the call was disconnected, but didn't he phone back immediately? Are you now saying he phoned Julie BEFORE phoning his father back? How does that make sense when there's a gun involved? Might it not have occurred to him THEN, that something might be seriously wrong? Yet STILL he doesn't call 999.

Remember, Lookout, I once was, for a LONG time, where you are now. I heard myself saying similar words to the ones you're still saying, much of which seem to start with "but". Whatever, and whom ever the "but" is about, it's usually as an excuse for something they've done. At the very least, where there's a "but" there's doubt. I've looked, long and hard, and from every angle, and if nothing else, the alleged phone call and his response to it, is a stumbling block every time. It's a quick leap from there to recognizing that none of his behaviours signify grief and I'd previously been trying very hard to excuse it.






JB would obviously have taken the opportunity to phone JM when he couldn't get back through to his dad. Didn't that strike you at all ? Silly me, no it wouldn't have done because you don't want to view things in that way. He's guilty and that's all you're saying----how he became guilty using your methods of " investigation and evidence " Lord only knows.