Jeremy Bamber trial examination

[Caroline]

I think Colin had 95% care of them at that stage and was looking towards 100% care eventually with Sheila seeing them " as and when ".

Why 100% ??

Because she was ill.

[lookout]

Because she was ill.

Exacty !

[Caroline]

Exacty !

Exactly what?

[lookout]

Exactly what?

Just exactly, that's all.

[Caroline]

Just exactly, that's all.

Ill and 'dangerous' are two very different things!

[lookout]

Ill and 'dangerous' are two very different things!

It depends where the illness is doesn't it ?

[Caroline]

It depends where the illness is doesn't it ?

Not really, paranoid schizophrenics aren't all dangerous and even less so when medicated - like Sheila was. Colin had the twins to allow her to get well and on her feet - not because she was dangerous.

[lookout]

Not really, paranoid schizophrenics aren't all dangerous and even less so when medicated - like Sheila was. Colin had the twins to allow her to get well and on her feet - not because she was dangerous.

Yet she became very delusional about the boys, or had you forgotten ?

[Kaldin]

Yet she became very delusional about the boys, or had you forgotten ?

Yes she did. I'm surprised that wasn't taken more seriously really.

[lookout]

Yes she did. I'm surprised that wasn't taken more seriously really.

To be perfectly honest, I think the " fallout " from such an illness back then was underestimated as nowadays those who suffer the same are well monitored because of the unpredictability of their actions.

[Jane]

Yet she became very delusional about the boys, or had you forgotten ?

Something you imply as being recent. She said nothing of note regarding the twins during her last stay in hospital. What you're referring to occurred during her first stay.

[lookout]

Something you imply as being recent. She said nothing of note regarding the twins during her last stay in hospital. What you're referring to occurred during her first stay.

There's no getting away from it but the psychiatrist hadn't taken Sheila seriously enough. If someone told me that " they were afraid they would kill the children " I'd take it seriously, wouldn't you ? Especially from the point of view of a professional person ? Whenever it was said. The fact of the matter it was said at a mental health clinic for God's sake---which was all the more reason to be aware.

[Caroline]

There's no getting away from it but the psychiatrist hadn't taken Sheila seriously enough. If someone told me that " they were afraid they would kill the children " I'd take it seriously, wouldn't you ? Especially from the point of view of a professional person ? Whenever it was said. The fact of the matter it was said at a mental health clinic for God's sake---which was all the more reason to be aware.

Same as somone saying they plan to kill the family.

[lookout]

Same as somone saying they plan to kill the family.

He wasn't in a mental home when he " allegedly " said it.

[Kaldin]

There's no getting away from it but the psychiatrist hadn't taken Sheila seriously enough. If someone told me that " they were afraid they would kill the children " I'd take it seriously, wouldn't you ? Especially from the point of view of a professional person ? Whenever it was said. The fact of the matter it was said at a mental health clinic for God's sake---which was all the more reason to be aware.

Yes I would, given that she was paranoid schizophrenic.