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Offline Steve_uk

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Re: Jeremy Bamber trial examination
« Reply #60 on: November 15, 2019, 08:41:PM »
Dr Ferguson concluded his findings in his statement by saying that Sheila would have been in a  disturbed psychotic state at the time of the tragedies.
No he said she would have reacted strongly had her children been forcibly removed from her, which simply wasn't the case.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber trial examination
« Reply #61 on: November 15, 2019, 08:44:PM »
To be fair to lookout there's not much I disagree with here. Sheila was up and down and when she was down she was in a parlous state. But she wasn't really thinking things through those last few days, the prescribed medication's side-effects taking their toll, which is why Jeremy saw his chance and called this the perfect crime.


Except that Lookout is stretching them for her own advantage. Let's just have another look at it. She may not have liked that Colin had overall care of the twins but she had few alternatives. As for Heather? She'd been part of the children's lives for some time. The twins had always had another care-giver in their lives. It was nothing new. She probably wasn't too thrilled with the thought of being packed off to "God's waiting-room" but no one could force her if she chose not to go. Okay, so Colin was taking the boys to his sister's with a woman who was already part of their lives.

 Her meds were making her lethargic and her depression had robbed her of mental energy. It panned out into the perfect time for Jeremy to put his plan into action. He'd probably never get another chance like it.


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« Reply #62 on: November 15, 2019, 08:56:PM »
" In hindsight I believe SC would have relapsed into an acute psychotic state having beliefs or delusions about good and evil and paranoia involving her mother. She is likely to have been in a disturbed psychotic state at the time of the tragedy.
SC was a difficult patient and failed to take her medication and missed appointments ".

 August 2012 From Dr Ferguson's statements.

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« Reply #63 on: November 15, 2019, 09:07:PM »

Except that Lookout is stretching them for her own advantage. Let's just have another look at it. She may not have liked that Colin had overall care of the twins but she had few alternatives. As for Heather? She'd been part of the children's lives for some time. The twins had always had another care-giver in their lives. It was nothing new. She probably wasn't too thrilled with the thought of being packed off to "God's waiting-room" but no one could force her if she chose not to go. Okay, so Colin was taking the boys to his sister's with a woman who was already part of their lives.

 Her meds were making her lethargic and her depression had robbed her of mental energy. It panned out into the perfect time for Jeremy to put his plan into action. He'd probably never get another chance like it.
Do you think there was a future for Sheila Jane? Her mother had been in the process of drawing up an annual allowance for her to be paid quarterly under the auspices of Basil Cock. I'm sure the twins would have supported her emotionally as they grew older but I do wonder if she had lived and following Nevill's death she might have sunk back into a depression akin to that of Mary Parkinson. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/12/mary-parkinson-troubled-elder-daughter-tory-grandee-cecil-parkinson/

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Re: Jeremy Bamber trial examination
« Reply #64 on: November 15, 2019, 09:09:PM »
" In hindsight I believe SC would have relapsed into an acute psychotic state having beliefs or delusions about good and evil and paranoia involving her mother. She is likely to have been in a disturbed psychotic state at the time of the tragedy.
SC was a difficult patient and failed to take her medication and missed appointments ".

 August 2012 From Dr Ferguson's statements.
Which statement is this from lookout and in what context?

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« Reply #65 on: November 15, 2019, 09:10:PM »
" In hindsight I believe SC would have relapsed into an acute psychotic state having beliefs or delusions about good and evil and paranoia involving her mother. She is likely to have been in a disturbed psychotic state at the time of the tragedy.
SC was a difficult patient and failed to take her medication and missed appointments ".

 August 2012 From Dr Ferguson's statements.


He also says, time and time again, that Sheila NEVER showed signs of violence or aggression.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber trial examination
« Reply #66 on: November 15, 2019, 09:13:PM »
Which statement is this from lookout and in what context?



She's cherry-picked the quotes, Steve. The above follows on from him having learned Sheila was responsible for the murders, and explaining what would have happened had that been the case. Not once does he concur that she'd done it.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber trial examination
« Reply #67 on: November 15, 2019, 09:16:PM »
" In hindsight I believe SC would have relapsed into an acute psychotic state having beliefs or delusions about good and evil and paranoia involving her mother. She is likely to have been in a disturbed psychotic state at the time of the tragedy.
SC was a difficult patient and failed to take her medication and missed appointments ".

 August 2012 From Dr Ferguson's statements.

No she wouldn't - she was on medication - via injection. She was found to have a moderate dose left in her system even though her injection was due on 8th August.
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Re: Jeremy Bamber trial examination
« Reply #68 on: November 15, 2019, 09:21:PM »
Do you think there was a future for Sheila Jane? Her mother had been in the process of drawing up an annual allowance for her to be paid quarterly under the auspices of Basil Cock. I'm sure the twins would have supported her emotionally as they grew older but I do wonder if she had lived and following Nevill's death she might have sunk back into a depression akin to that of Mary Parkinson. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/12/mary-parkinson-troubled-elder-daughter-tory-grandee-cecil-parkinson/


Truly, Steve, I don't see a happy and settled future for her as she was. I'm not wholly in favour of psychiatric on it's own and I'm totally convinced that she'd have benefited from spending some time with a counselor who'd have given her the time and space to talk through her troubled childhood, grieve for her lost babies and come to terms with her separation from, and ongoing dependency, on Colin.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber trial examination
« Reply #69 on: November 15, 2019, 09:26:PM »
No he said she would have reacted strongly had her children been forcibly removed from her, which simply wasn't the case.

Hadn't the children already been removed from her since her breakdown in March that year?

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« Reply #70 on: November 15, 2019, 09:29:PM »
Hadn't the children already been removed from her since her breakdown in March that year?

No forcibly and she still saw them.
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Re: Jeremy Bamber trial examination
« Reply #71 on: November 15, 2019, 09:36:PM »
No she wouldn't - she was on medication - via injection. She was found to have a moderate dose left in her system even though her injection was due on 8th August.





Patti copied Dr Ferguson's statements on the 2012 thread--- " Did Sheila Suffer an Attachment Disorder Resulting in Affectionless Psycopathy " August 2012.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber trial examination
« Reply #72 on: November 15, 2019, 09:54:PM »
No forcibly and she still saw them.

I presume she didn't have any say in them living with Colin though.

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« Reply #73 on: November 15, 2019, 09:57:PM »




Patti copied Dr Ferguson's statements on the 2012 thread--- " Did Sheila Suffer an Attachment Disorder Resulting in Affectionless Psycopathy " August 2012.


That sounds very much like it could be applied to Jeremy.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber trial examination
« Reply #74 on: November 15, 2019, 09:57:PM »
I think Colin had 95% care of them at that stage and was looking towards 100% care eventually with Sheila seeing them " as and when ".

Why 100% ??