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Re: The ITV Drama
« Reply #2415 on: February 13, 2020, 02:09:PM »
Conscience ??

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Re: The ITV Drama
« Reply #2416 on: February 13, 2020, 02:12:PM »


Nothing about the land purchase by Nevill that nobody knew about. Nevill had complained that John Eaton had overcharged, so a fight broke out and John Eaton punched Nevill causing him a black eye.

The land was left by the Eaton's father to peter and John Eaton----who preferred the money at the time one would imagine, so now they've got the best of both worlds.
Were they " the two " who Nevill" wouldn't turn his back on ?"

It wouldn’t surprise me. One punched him in the face and the other screwed over the farm later on.

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Re: The ITV Drama
« Reply #2417 on: February 13, 2020, 02:13:PM »
They announced it and he must have actually been in the studio and then didn’t appear

The mystery is why

That’s odd. Maybe he had second thoughts at the last moment  :-\

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Re: The ITV Drama
« Reply #2418 on: February 13, 2020, 03:23:PM »





Nothing about the land purchase by Nevill that nobody knew about. Nevill had complained that John Eaton had overcharged, so a fight broke out and John Eaton punched Nevill causing him a black eye.

The land was left by the Eaton's father to peter and John Eaton----who preferred the money at the time one would imagine, so now they've got the best of both worlds.
Were they " the two " who Nevill" wouldn't turn his back on ?"

It was a TV drama. Only 20 minutes was in court. So they just had Bamber and Julie in the dock.

The prosecution relied on at least 60 pieces of forensic evidence, which is in the COA. Together with a vast amount of circumstantial evidence. But Julie's testimony will make the best TV.
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Re: The ITV Drama
« Reply #2419 on: February 13, 2020, 03:53:PM »
It was a TV drama. Only 20 minutes was in court. So they just had Bamber and Julie in the dock.

The prosecution relied on at least 60 pieces of forensic evidence, which is in the COA. Together with a vast amount of circumstantial evidence. But Julie's testimony will make the best TV.

No the prosecution did not rely on 60 pieces of forensic evidence.

These alleged 60 pieces of forensic evidence are merely your flawed interpretations compiled into a hodgepodge of half-truths, outright lies and repetitions.

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Re: The ITV Drama
« Reply #2420 on: February 13, 2020, 04:55:PM »
No the prosecution did not rely on 60 pieces of forensic evidence.

These alleged 60 pieces of forensic evidence are merely your flawed interpretations compiled into a hodgepodge of half-truths, outright lies and repetitions.

And dubious repeated sources.

There was no forensic evidence to link jeremy to the crime .

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« Reply #2421 on: February 13, 2020, 05:16:PM »
And dubious repeated sources.

There was no forensic evidence to link jeremy to the crime .

Ironically the entire trials exhibit list is 60 pieces. Maybe that's where he got the figure from.  ;D

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« Reply #2422 on: February 13, 2020, 05:42:PM »
These would not be in the COA unless they were used by the prosecution to gain a conviction at trial -


1.

Perfectly clean palm of hands on Sheila - Not disputed - COA


2.

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA


3.

Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected - Not disputed - COA, BAMBER'S DEFENCE.


4.

Well manicured nails on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


5.

No broken nails - Not disputed COA.


6.

Nails in tact - Not disputed - COA.


7.

No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers - Not disputed - COA.


8.

No blood on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.


9.

No dirt on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.


10.

No powder on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.


11.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE, BAMBER, JUDGE.


12.

No trace of any lead dust coating on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


13.

No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice - Not disputed - COA


14.

Very clean feet - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.


15.

Feet free from significant blood staining - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.


16.

Bamber doing nothing between 3.10am - 3.26/36am - Not disputed - COA, BAMBER.


17.

No debris such as sugar on feet - Not disputed - COA.


18.

No foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS, PATHOLOGIST, COA.


19.

Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.


20.

No presence of firearm residue on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.


21.

No trace of rifle oil on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.


22.

No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight - Not disputed - COA.


23.

No facial injuries on Sheila - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS, PATHOLOGIST, COA.


24.

Sheila avoiding kitchen fight injuries with no body or face protection - Not disputed - COA.


25.

Nevill's massive height/weight advantage over Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


26.

Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


27.

Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.


28.

Nevill being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting had just got out of bed - Not disputed - COA.


29.

Sheila being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting she had just got out of bed - Not disputed - COA.


30.

Paint in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - COA.


31.

Aga scratch's - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - COA. 


32.

Sheila's blood in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - COA.


33.

No blood in the rifle end - Not disputed - COA. 


34.

Sheila's legs pulled after second shot - Not disputed - COA.


35.

Blood underneath the bible - Not disputed - COA.


36.

A lot of blood on Nevill's side of the bed - Not disputed - COA.


37.

Large scale multiple mental & physical effects of Haloperidol - Not disputed. - INTERNET ARTICLES, YOUTUBE, COA.


38.

Sheila having Haloperidol in her body - Not disputed - COA.


39.

Sheila's condition hours before the massacre - Not disputed. Bamber being a main witness - BAMBER & OTHER PEOPLE, COA.


40.

Sheila under sedation - Not disputed - COA.


41.

Easy window entrance into WHF - Not disputed. Agreed by Bamber. - BAMBER, COA.


42.

Shutting kitchen window from outside - Disputed in 2017 but 20 independent sources prove otherwise - COA.


43.

No better massacre weapon options for Bamber - Not disputed - FORUM.


44.

Professor Herbert Leon Mcdonell - Not disputed after Bamber hired him - WILKES'S BOOK.


45.

Easy bike routes to WHF - Not disputed - COA.


46.

Bike brought to Bamber's cottage just before the massacre - Not disputed - BAMBERS POLICE INTERVIEWS, COA.


47.

June not waking or getting woken by Nevill - Not disputed - COA.


48.

Nevill's back burns - Not disputed. Suggestion burns were caused minus silencer rejected - BAMBER, TONIGHT PROGRAMME, COA.


49.

2012 CCRC court judgement - judicial review request made & rejected - JUDICIAL REVIEW DOCUMENT.


50.

The twins not waking - Not disputed - COA. 


51.

Bamber's call to the police - Not disputed - COA. 


52.

Nevill's horrific injuries - Not disputed - COA.


53.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE STATEMENTS.


54.

No valid Sheila scenario - Not disputed - OS & FORUM.


55.

Bamber's 3am call to Julie - Not disputed - COA. 


56.

Nevill's 2/4 second call to Bamber - Not disputed - BAMBER, COA.


57.

Bamber asking the police to pick him up - Not disputed - WILKES, CRIMES, HEARTS & CORONETS.


58.

Nevill's back burns - Not disputed - COA. 


59.

Ease for a man to lift & carry a woman - Not disputed. YOUTUBE VIDEO.


60.

Crime scenes of 5 individuals - Not disputed - COA. 


61.

Bamber's found hacksaw - Not disputed - COA.


62.

Bible on Sheila's arm- Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.


63.

Only execution period available to Bamber, 12am - 3am - Not disputed - BAMBER


64.

Housekeeper evidence of items around the sink being moved - Not disputed- PB WS, WILKES'S BOOK


65.

Only Sheila receiving a contact shot in a location that produces back splatter- Not disputed, COA.


66.

Bloodied plam print on Sheila's nightdress - Not disputed. COA.


67.

Nevill being lifted onto a coal scuttle - Not disputed. CRIME SCENE PICTURES, COA.


68.

Dried blood on Sheila - Not Disputed. PATHOLOGIST.


69.

Sheila having to load prior to first shots - Not disputed. COA


70.

Blood in silencer being Sheila's with remote possibility of being a mixture of June's & Nevill's - Not disputed, COA.

« Last Edit: February 13, 2020, 05:51:PM by Adam »
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Re: The ITV Drama
« Reply #2423 on: February 13, 2020, 05:44:PM »
And dubious repeated sources.

There was no forensic evidence to link jeremy to the crime .

Do you not agree that if the forensic evidence shows it was not Sheila, it must be Jeremy?
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Re: The ITV Drama
« Reply #2424 on: February 13, 2020, 06:00:PM »
These would not be in the COA unless they were used by the prosecution to gain a conviction at trial -


1.

Perfectly clean palm of hands on Sheila - Not disputed - COA


2.

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA


3.

Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected - Not disputed - COA, BAMBER'S DEFENCE.


4.

Well manicured nails on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


5.

No broken nails - Not disputed COA.


6.

Nails in tact - Not disputed - COA.


7.

No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers - Not disputed - COA.


8.

No blood on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.


9.

No dirt on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.


10.

No powder on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.


11.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE, BAMBER, JUDGE.


12.

No trace of any lead dust coating on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


13.

No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice - Not disputed - COA


14.

Very clean feet - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.


15.

Feet free from significant blood staining - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.


16.

Bamber doing nothing between 3.10am - 3.26/36am - Not disputed - COA, BAMBER.


17.

No debris such as sugar on feet - Not disputed - COA.


18.

No foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS, PATHOLOGIST, COA.


19.

Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.


20.

No presence of firearm residue on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.


21.

No trace of rifle oil on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.


22.

No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight - Not disputed - COA.


23.

No facial injuries on Sheila - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS, PATHOLOGIST, COA.


24.

Sheila avoiding kitchen fight injuries with no body or face protection - Not disputed - COA.


25.

Nevill's massive height/weight advantage over Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


26.

Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


27.

Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.


28.

Nevill being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting had just got out of bed - Not disputed - COA.


29.

Sheila being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting she had just got out of bed - Not disputed - COA.


30.

Paint in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - COA.


31.

Aga scratch's - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - COA. 


32.

Sheila's blood in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - COA.


33.

No blood in the rifle end - Not disputed - COA. 


34.

Sheila's legs pulled after second shot - Not disputed - COA.


35.

Blood underneath the bible - Not disputed - COA.


36.

A lot of blood on Nevill's side of the bed - Not disputed - COA.


37.

Large scale multiple mental & physical effects of Haloperidol - Not disputed. - INTERNET ARTICLES, YOUTUBE, COA.


38.

Sheila having Haloperidol in her body - Not disputed - COA.


39.

Sheila's condition hours before the massacre - Not disputed. Bamber being a main witness - BAMBER & OTHER PEOPLE, COA.


40.

Sheila under sedation - Not disputed - COA.


41.

Easy window entrance into WHF - Not disputed. Agreed by Bamber. - BAMBER, COA.


42.

Shutting kitchen window from outside - Disputed in 2017 but 20 independent sources prove otherwise - COA.


43.

No better massacre weapon options for Bamber - Not disputed - FORUM.


44.

Professor Herbert Leon Mcdonell - Not disputed after Bamber hired him - WILKES'S BOOK.


45.

Easy bike routes to WHF - Not disputed - COA.


46.

Bike brought to Bamber's cottage just before the massacre - Not disputed - BAMBERS POLICE INTERVIEWS, COA.


47.

June not waking or getting woken by Nevill - Not disputed - COA.


48.

Nevill's back burns - Not disputed. Suggestion burns were caused minus silencer rejected - BAMBER, TONIGHT PROGRAMME, COA.


49.

2012 CCRC court judgement - judicial review request made & rejected - JUDICIAL REVIEW DOCUMENT.


50.

The twins not waking - Not disputed - COA. 


51.

Bamber's call to the police - Not disputed - COA. 


52.

Nevill's horrific injuries - Not disputed - COA.


53.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE STATEMENTS.


54.

No valid Sheila scenario - Not disputed - OS & FORUM.


55.

Bamber's 3am call to Julie - Not disputed - COA. 


56.

Nevill's 2/4 second call to Bamber - Not disputed - BAMBER, COA.


57.

Bamber asking the police to pick him up - Not disputed - WILKES, CRIMES, HEARTS & CORONETS.


58.

Nevill's back burns - Not disputed - COA. 


59.

Ease for a man to lift & carry a woman - Not disputed. YOUTUBE VIDEO.


60.

Crime scenes of 5 individuals - Not disputed - COA. 


61.

Bamber's found hacksaw - Not disputed - COA.


62.

Bible on Sheila's arm- Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.


63.

Only execution period available to Bamber, 12am - 3am - Not disputed - BAMBER


64.

Housekeeper evidence of items around the sink being moved - Not disputed- PB WS, WILKES'S BOOK


65.

Only Sheila receiving a contact shot in a location that produces back splatter- Not disputed, COA.


66.

Bloodied plam print on Sheila's nightdress - Not disputed. COA.


67.

Nevill being lifted onto a coal scuttle - Not disputed. CRIME SCENE PICTURES, COA.


68.

Dried blood on Sheila - Not Disputed. PATHOLOGIST.


69.

Sheila having to load prior to first shots - Not disputed. COA


70.

Blood in silencer being Sheila's with remote possibility of being a mixture of June's & Nevill's - Not disputed, COA.

Like I said. A hodgepodge of half-truths, outright lies and repetitions. That has now gone from 60 pieces to 70 pieces in a matter of hours.  ;D
« Last Edit: February 13, 2020, 06:01:PM by David1819 »

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« Reply #2425 on: February 13, 2020, 06:11:PM »
Like I said. A hodgepodge of half-truths, outright lies and repetitions. That has now gone from 60 pieces to 70 pieces in a matter of hours.  ;D

It is a list of sourced incriminating forensic evidence. Over 60 of the 70 pieces in the COA.

The COA is a 522 point published statement. Disrespectful to criticise it considering you would not even publish your one 'forensic evidence breakthrough'.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2020, 06:17:PM by Adam »
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Re: The ITV Drama
« Reply #2426 on: February 13, 2020, 06:14:PM »
It is a list of incriminating forensic evidence. Over 60 of the 70 pieces in the COA.

The COA is a 522 point published statement. Disrespectful to criticise ot considering you would not even your one 'forensic evidence breakthrough'.

Your 60-70 point Gish Gallop and the 522 Point appeal statement are two separate things.

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« Reply #2427 on: February 13, 2020, 07:40:PM »
It is a list of sourced incriminating forensic evidence. Over 60 of the 70 pieces in the COA.

The COA is a 522 point published statement. Disrespectful to criticise it considering you would not even publish your one 'forensic evidence breakthrough'.

Evidence that a crime was committed nothing more .

Not evidence of who was responsible so as usual a waste of a copy and pasted post .




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« Reply #2428 on: February 13, 2020, 07:43:PM »
There was a bit In the drama which looked a bit odd as if it had been added in . Jones said something like

The blood can not be determined as sheilas
The silencer will be discredited as the jury will say it’s been contaminated
No forensics

So this will all come down to Julie mugfords evidence


That was a bit weird when trying to show what actually happened in the court .

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« Reply #2429 on: February 13, 2020, 07:49:PM »
Evidence that a crime was committed nothing more .

Not evidence of who was responsible so as usual a waste of a copy and pasted post .

Everyone agrees a crime was committed Jan.

The COA sets out what the prosecution said.  To show it was not Sheila. With Bamber as the only alternative, that is all they had to do.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2020, 07:50:PM by Adam »
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