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Offline Kaldin

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Re: The ITV Drama
« Reply #2340 on: February 08, 2020, 09:09:PM »
I am adopted (by my grandparents) - it is quite easy to look for excuses and blame adoption. There is nothing you can do about that. We turn out the way we are for so many reasons, and Jeremy turned out his own way.
I expect knowledge of being adopted did shape him a little - but so would every teacher, ever playground fight, every serious girlfriend etc.

We will never know what made him, or Sheila the people they were any more than we will understand Peter Sutcliffe, or Ian Brady, or Mira Hindley or Ian Huntley etc.

One of them did it, and the true reasons why will never be known. In some ways, it's almost easier to understand Jeremy's motives than Sheila's. Sheila's (if she did it) was probably a random act of insanity.
Jeremy's motives, if he did it, were more cunning (fathomable, but cunning)

I suppose I find it hard to believe that someone would shoot his whole family just for money. If he didn't really like his lifestyle there must have been others ways to pursuade his parents to help him to do something else. I'm really not sure how important it was to them that he farmed - presumably in the hope that he would take over one day.

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« Reply #2341 on: February 08, 2020, 09:16:PM »
It may not have been just for the money. I don't think we will ever know.
It could have been a mix of arrogance, greed, resentment...

We would struggle to fathom the motivation of most premeditated killing, because most of us are so strongly conditioned against it (some would argue it's an innate aversion)

It isn't the only case of children killing their family though.

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« Reply #2342 on: February 08, 2020, 09:17:PM »
I suppose I find it hard to believe that someone would shoot his whole family just for money. If he didn't really like his lifestyle there must have been others ways to pursuade his parents to help him to do something else. I'm really not sure how important it was to them that he farmed - presumably in the hope that he would take over one day.
It was this tunnel vision which was ultimately their downfall, not that I'm excusing Jeremy's actions for one moment.

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« Reply #2343 on: February 08, 2020, 09:18:PM »
It may not have been just for the money. I don't think we will ever know.
It could have been a mix of arrogance, greed, resentment...

We would struggle to fathom the motivation of most premeditated killing, because most of us are so strongly conditioned against it (some would argue it's an innate aversion)

It isn't the only case of children killing their family though.
As Adam has often said: this was an inheritance killing. I might add he gave himself a warped justification-Jeremy I mean, not Adam..

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« Reply #2344 on: February 08, 2020, 10:11:PM »
No body has ever proved a motive for Jeremy being the killer.

He had a nice lifestyle, he had an elderly grandmother who he was going to inherit from and eventually through inheritance he would be wealthy anyway
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #2345 on: February 08, 2020, 10:36:PM »
No body has ever proved a motive for Jeremy being the killer.

He had a nice lifestyle, he had an elderly grandmother who he was going to inherit from and eventually through inheritance he would be wealthy anyway
But his life was always about himself: how he had accepted for years his own inadequacy as Sheila herself struggled with her identity, how he failed academically at school, how he failed to make new friends, how he struggled to receive the slightest compliment from his parents, then suddenly a growth spurt and he began to get noticed-he the nonentity suddenly became popular with the opposite sex, how he bragged about his parents' wealth attracted girls, attracted Brett, how he spread the newspapers on the floor carpet of Bourtree Cottage because finally somebody was paying him attention, albeit in the most gruesome of circumstances.

Why did he kill? He took a calculated risk that he almost succeeded with: his parents' secrecy concerning Sheila's illness meant nobody really knew her, his aversion to sharing his inheritance, the dislike of the twins, and the realization that however rich his parents had become they weren't particularly in a position to enjoy their wealth: Nevill working all hours God sent had become haggard, whilst June concerned herself with charitable works without to the detriment of family, struggling with her own demons as she attempted to reconcile her own religious convictions with the hedonism of the modern age.

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« Reply #2346 on: February 08, 2020, 11:09:PM »
But his life was always about himself: how he had accepted for years his own inadequacy as Sheila herself struggled with her identity, how he failed academically at school, how he failed to make new friends, how he struggled to receive the slightest compliment from his parents, then suddenly a growth spurt and he began to get noticed-he the nonentity suddenly became popular with the opposite sex, how he bragged about his parents' wealth attracted girls, attracted Brett, how he spread the newspapers on the floor carpet of Bourtree Cottage because finally somebody was paying him attention, albeit in the most gruesome of circumstances.

Why did he kill? He took a calculated risk that he almost succeeded with: his parents' secrecy concerning Sheila's illness meant nobody really knew her, his aversion to sharing his inheritance, the dislike of the twins, and the realization that however rich his parents had become they weren't particularly in a position to enjoy their wealth: Nevill working all hours God sent had become haggard, whilst June concerned herself with charitable works without to the detriment of family, struggling with her own demons as she attempted to reconcile her own religious convictions with the hedonism of the modern age.

You need to listen to an impartial witness like Barbara death, she obviously saw him growing probably frequently during school holidays and gives a completely different description of Jeremy
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #2347 on: February 09, 2020, 05:54:AM »
You need to listen to an impartial witness like Barbara death, she obviously saw him growing probably frequently during school holidays and gives a completely different description of Jeremy
I think this can be explained by his Jekyll and Hyde personality:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bambers-best-pal-believed-21459285

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« Reply #2348 on: February 09, 2020, 07:53:AM »
No body has ever proved a motive for Jeremy being the killer.

He had a nice lifestyle, he had an elderly grandmother who he was going to inherit from and eventually through inheritance he would be wealthy anyway

He wasn't going to inherit directly from his grandmother though Jackie. Mrs Speakman divided her money between June and Pamela.

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« Reply #2349 on: February 09, 2020, 06:23:PM »
No body has ever proved a motive for Jeremy being the killer.

He had a nice lifestyle, he had an elderly grandmother who he was going to inherit from and eventually through inheritance he would be wealthy anyway

Some very well off people have stolen.
Some very privileged folks have wanted more privilege.
At 24, a further 10 years can feel like a very long time to wait and he might well be waiting 20+ years for his parents to pass away naturally. He didn't NEED to steal from his own family, and yet he did precisely that at the caravan park. So his want overruled his need on that occasion, why not again - except for a much larger reward.

Whether someone believes JB is innocent or guilty, it is folly to deny the inheritance as a possible motive. It's one of the prime motives in most murders - Emotional, sexual, financial.

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« Reply #2350 on: February 09, 2020, 06:31:PM »
It is folly to deny the inheritance as a possible motive. It's one of the prime motives in most murders - Emotional, sexual, financial.

I think there was a financial motive for framing him. I think it contributed to the relatives' mindset and drive, post killings.

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« Reply #2351 on: February 09, 2020, 06:33:PM »
JB wouldn't have stolen if he'd had a girlfriend who didn't also steal. She was complicit in the robbery.

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« Reply #2352 on: February 09, 2020, 06:36:PM »
I think it's fair to say that virtually everyone involved was fond of money, so Jeremy being fond of money isn't necessarily a motive to kill his entire family.

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« Reply #2353 on: February 09, 2020, 06:54:PM »
I think it's fair to say that virtually everyone involved was fond of money, so Jeremy being fond of money isn't necessarily a motive to kill his entire family.

I am fond of money too. Most of us are.
It is still a motive for killing. Just most of us don't resort to that.

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« Reply #2354 on: February 09, 2020, 07:00:PM »
I think there was a financial motive for framing him. I think it contributed to the relatives' mindset and drive, post killings.

The issue there is, they weren't implicated in the murder and he was.
So, in normal circumstances they would be grieving relatives who at short notice would have to collude and concoct a plan to frame him. That becomes a less likely scenario than JB just having done the deed.

I do not like the silencer find. But even without, I think the evidence points to JB, but that's just my opinion.