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Offline David1819

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« Reply #2310 on: February 08, 2020, 04:09:PM »


To reply sensibly, no, thankfully I wasn't there, and more to the point neither were YOU!
My believe has come about by Colin Caffell's statements where he tells of JB saying the twins were a milestone around his neck... his hatred of the twins mother... and before you shout HOW... through his  jealousy over the attention Shelia was receiving owing to her illness and the money spent on her. (CAL's book) No we don't all believe your thoughts on Carol Ann Lee's book!  JB's warped ideas of how an inheritance maybe spread out. (Colin Caffell's book) where if the twins died before maturity then their father wouldn't benefit in any way. Even JB's act not long after the killings of copying a photo of one of the twins with his hair covered in spikey shampoo... no-one in their right mind would dream of doing this !

WTF have you been smoking?  ???

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« Reply #2311 on: February 08, 2020, 04:15:PM »
What part are you finding hard to understand David, perhaps you should read a bit more about the case and stop surmising what suits you.

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« Reply #2312 on: February 08, 2020, 04:22:PM »
What and whose attention was Sheila receiving during her illness ?

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« Reply #2313 on: February 08, 2020, 04:23:PM »
Did Jeremy actually do that, other than in the drama?
According to Colin he did: https://youtu.be/afIXWrexiWk

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« Reply #2314 on: February 08, 2020, 04:28:PM »
What part are you finding hard to understand David, perhaps you should read a bit more about the case and stop surmising what suits you.

I have read a lot more about the case than you believe me. Do you actually think all the scenes on the show happened?

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« Reply #2315 on: February 08, 2020, 04:30:PM »
What and whose attention was Sheila receiving during her illness ?

Shelia was receiving attention from her parents particularly as her illness worsened. Her parents also paid for her London Flats, whereas JB felt he had to work for money. Jeremy was ...in my opinion...a spoilt child who grew to think he should be given everything he wanted. This jealousy became worse when Shelia had the twins and needed more help.

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« Reply #2316 on: February 08, 2020, 04:31:PM »
According to Colin he did: https://youtu.be/afIXWrexiWk

Yes Jeremy did do that....thanks Steve

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« Reply #2317 on: February 08, 2020, 04:40:PM »
I have read a lot more about the case than you believe me. Do you actually think all the scenes on the show happened?

Not for one minute do I believe all of the scenes in the Drama happened as shown. I feel that as many of us have studying this case for years, nothing would come up to our expectations as far as content is concerned. 
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« Reply #2318 on: February 08, 2020, 04:50:PM »
Shelia was receiving attention from her parents particularly as her illness worsened. Her parents also paid for her London Flats, whereas JB felt he had to work for money. Jeremy was ...in my opinion...a spoilt child who grew to think he should be given everything he wanted. This jealousy became worse when Shelia had the twins and needed more help.





Where do you get this jealousy from ?
Both siblings had done very well out of their parents, in fact it was because they were both over-indulged that they became as they were, so it wasn't just Jeremy.
Didn't Nevill tell Barbara Wilson that " you do your best for them ( meaning both ) and this is what you get ".

The one thing that was missing from that family was love and a close bond between parents and siblings.

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« Reply #2319 on: February 08, 2020, 04:58:PM »
According to Colin he did: https://youtu.be/afIXWrexiWk






I notice he omitted to say how he'd betrayed Sheila when he was married to her. Sheila was clinging on and he didn't want to know. How cruel is that ?

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« Reply #2320 on: February 08, 2020, 05:01:PM »




Where do you get this jealousy from ?
Both siblings had done very well out of their parents, in fact it was because they were both over-indulged that they became as they were, so it wasn't just Jeremy.
Didn't Nevill tell Barbara Wilson that " you do your best for them ( meaning both ) and this is what you get ".

The one thing that was missing from that family was love and a close bond between parents and siblings.
Absolutely Lookout, they did well materially but it does not replace unconditional love and bonding.  I’m afraid June had no idea how to do that, adopted or not their children would have suffered but it is wven harder when you are adopted and told you are not good enough, grateful enough and are generally a huge disappointment however much you try.

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« Reply #2321 on: February 08, 2020, 05:03:PM »





I notice he omitted to say how he'd betrayed Sheila when he was married to her. Sheila was clinging on and he didn't want to know. How cruel is that ?

True, but this happens to many people in life, it doesn't make Colin an evil murderer.

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« Reply #2322 on: February 08, 2020, 05:20:PM »
Absolutely Lookout, they did well materially but it does not replace unconditional love and bonding.  I’m afraid June had no idea how to do that, adopted or not their children would have suffered but it is wven harder when you are adopted and told you are not good enough, grateful enough and are generally a huge disappointment however much you try.





Maggie nothing replaces a loving family home, no amount of money would ever make up for that loss of warmth and security that a child gets from their parents, as you said, adopted or not. June was nothing short of cruel to Sheila when she drilled it into her about her being a " devil's child ". You don't speak to children/ teenagers in that way. This was when a young Sheila found herself pregnant.
Sadly June's ways rubbed off on Sheila when she herself had said that the twins were " children of the devil ".  What else could anyone expect at being brought up like that ?

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« Reply #2323 on: February 08, 2020, 05:20:PM »
The trouble is...

JB's behaviour in the wake of the deaths may have been distasteful. It may have been irreverent. It may have been reaction to the shock. People react in some very strange ways sometimes.

Those behaviours and reactions alone are not enough to make him guilty.

When taken in a wider context, they do add something, but in isolation alone, they aren't enough.

It is only when Mugford tells her story, and we learn of him stealing money and 'disguising' a scene previously that we start to wonder.

Some of his interviews in the aftermath do not make for good reading either, but it is still very subjective.

For me, it is only when you revisit the entirety of events from the perspective of 'could JB have done it' that  it becomes clearer that the weight of evidence points to him rather than Sheila.

Of course, not everybody shares my opinion, but my point being - nobody can convict him JUST for being arrogant, or aloof, or distant, or not grieving in a befitting manner etc.

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« Reply #2324 on: February 08, 2020, 05:23:PM »
True, but this happens to many people in life, it doesn't make Colin an evil murderer.






I didn't mention evil murderer !
Why does he have to try and justify himself 34 years later ? A bit late in the day, isn't it ?