The ITV Drama

[Caroline]

Do you know what a warning sign is?

Of course I do - my brother had schizophrenia.

[Kaldin]

Did you also note that the main reasons was not taking medication? Plus, if it's that common, there must be thousands of similar stories where a schizophrenic has killed due to psychosis while on medication?

The main reason, not the only reason. I didn't say it was common, but it is possible and it does happen.

[Caroline]

Perhaps he reduced it too much too quickly .

Also it was her own doctor who said she could have had a relapse . And did he not warn her about the risks of taking recreational drugs?

She still had a moderate dose in her system.

[Caroline]

The main reason, not the only reason. I didn't say it was common, but it is possible and it does happen.

Then it should be easy to find an example?

[Kaldin]

But she had retired to bed. She was asleep. She was woken by Jeremy and marched a few feet to her death like a lamb to the slaughter. This explains how peaceful she looks in the photographs.

Pure speculation!

Why would Jeremy make her go to their parents' room?

[Kaldin]

Then it should be easy to find an example?

Of what? Someone having a relapse whilst on medication? Really - do some research.

[Kaldin]

She still had a moderate dose in her system.

That doesn't mean she couldn't have a relapse.

[Caroline]

Of what? Someone having a relapse whilst on medication? Really - do some research.

No, going crazy and killing while on meds. It's not me that needs to prove it.

[Caroline]

That doesn't mean she couldn't have a relapse.

No, it just makes it unlikely and no one saw any of those 'warning signs' you mentioned.

[Steve_uk]

Pure speculation!

Why would Jeremy make her go to their parents' room?

Firstly because she had to have left her own bedroom to have committed the murders, secondly he couldn't risk taking her to see her dead children so it was the most convenient option.

[Steve_uk]

That doesn't mean she couldn't have a relapse.

Even in relapse statistically schizophrenics are far more likely to harm themselves not others.

[Kaldin]

No, going crazy and killing while on meds. It's not me that needs to prove it.

She didn't necessarily "go crazy". I don't need to prove anything. However, there is no way IMO to say one way or another if she could have killed everyone or if Jeremy did it - other than the forensic evidence.

[Kaldin]

Even in relapse statistically schizophrenics are far more likely to harm themselves not others.

Well some schizophrenics had harmed others, haven't they?

[Steve_uk]

She didn't necessarily "go crazy". I don't need to prove anything. However, there is no way IMO to say one way or another if she could have killed everyone or if Jeremy did it - other than the forensic evidence.

Do you think she could have reloaded the gun twice given the unexpected tussle with Nevill?

[Caroline]

Well some schizophrenics had harmed others, haven't they?

Yes, but can you find one that was taking their medication?