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[Kaldin]

Freddi said when she had her previous episode she was not recognising people she was hallucinating. So perhaps she thought she was shooting the devil or the people she thought were bugging her phone ? Remember the letter to Anne ?

It did not mean she could not aim at something ?


Why do people have to reply with such sarcasm. It’s supposed to be a discussion forum .

I am just saying that just people post a statement as fact it does not mean it can’t be challenged.

Absolutely. I don't think that people having a psychotic episode are necessarily raging around. She had paranoid schizophrenia, so she had episodes where she thought people were trying to harm her, so might have felt the need to defend herself pre-emptively.

[Jan]

The guilters do not deny the many facets to this case, one of them being the parlous state of Sheila that final week and indeed years before. However she still was medicated at the time of the tragedy, albeit at a very low dose, and Doctor Ferguson stated he didn't think the recreational drugs she used would have had any affect in negating the prescription medication.

How the Jeremy supporters reconcile a drowsy, pathetic creature accomplishing what she theoretically must have done that morning beats me.

Well what I posted is from recent research . And the percentage of sufferers that commit suiciide is a very sad statistic.

And none of us our jumping to that conclusion.

Just pointing out that saying she was on medication meant she could not have relapsed is not true .

It’s like a giant puzzle , but even solving some areas does not Mean the whole picture is complete.

Everyone just just cool down a bit

[Steve_uk]

There are some warning signs of a relapse. These can include lack of energy and a lack of interest.

But if you've a lack of energy you don't suddenly become energized with the power to discharge 25 shots, some with pinpoint accuracy designed to kill.

[Kaldin]

I'm not saying that she did have an episode, but so many people keep saying she was sedated or too tired to have done all that, or that she was medicated so she couldn't have had an episode, and I simply don't agree with that.

[guest7363]

sorry jan it wasnt meant to be sarcastic.nut i find it hard that someone who as you say was hallucinating could only fire at real targets and not let some shots off at random ie mirror ,pictures,the clock many other things around the home

Good point Sami, rage and Hallucinations would have meant not thinking straight esp if Neville was moving?

[Kaldin]

But if you've a lack of energy you don't suddenly become energized with the power to discharge 25 shots, some with pinpoint accuracy designed to kill.

I think you can.

[Caroline]

Yes did not take long . Not taking medication is the main cause . Not the only cause




Take your medicines as your doctor suggests. Not taking medicine is the main cause of relapse.
Reduce stress in your life. This may result in fewer relapses. For more information on reducing stress, see the topic Stress Management.
Don't drink alcohol or use illegal drugs.
Go to your counselling sessions and classes even when you don't feel like it or when you think they are not helping you.
If your doctor recommends family therapy, be sure to have all family members attend each session.
Join a self-help or support group. Self-help and support groups are usually run by the members of the group, not health professionals.
Learn the first signs of relapse, and seek help early. Common signs of relapse include:
Staying away from or not being interested in other people.
Forgetting things.
Having problems concentrating.
Daydreaming.
Not paying attention to what is going on.

I didn't say it was the only cause - it's the MAIN cause. I said I hadn't heard of a case where a schizophrenic killed in a psychotic attack while taking their medication. Such stories are usually followed by a reference to then not taking it.

[Steve_uk]

I'm not saying that she did have an episode, but so many people keep saying she was sedated or too tired to have done all that, or that she was medicated so she couldn't have had an episode, and I simply don't agree with that.

Well you should read the statements of the painter and decorator and the shopkeeper to avail yourself more fully of the facts.

[Kaldin]

Well you should read the statements of the painter and decorator and the shopkeeper to avail yourself more fully of the facts.

They have nothing to do with it. It's an unpredictable disease.

[Kaldin]

Anyway, what painter and decorator?

[Jan]

I didn't say it was the only cause - it's the MAIN cause. I said I hadn't heard of a case where a schizophrenic killed in a psychotic attack while taking their medication. Such stories are usually followed by a reference to then not taking it.

Point taken . You have personally not heard of a case.

[Caroline]

Well what I posted is from recent research . And the percentage of sufferers that commit suiciide is a very sad statistic.

And none of us our jumping to that conclusion.

Just pointing out that saying she was on medication meant she could not have relapsed is not true .

It’s like a giant puzzle , but even solving some areas does not Mean the whole picture is complete.

Everyone just just cool down a bit

Except I didn't say that

[Caroline]

Point taken . You have personally not heard of a case.

Have you?

[sami]

Good point Sami, rage and Hallucinations would have meant not thinking straight esp if Neville was moving?

thanks rj,also most hear voices while going for these episodes,so she hears devils voice behind her a proper mentally ill person would automatically turn round and shoot.but theres no stray shots

[Caroline]

I'm not saying that she did have an episode, but so many people keep saying she was sedated or too tired to have done all that, or that she was medicated so she couldn't have had an episode, and I simply don't agree with that.

Whether you agree with it or not, she was medicated and still had a moderate dose in her system despite the next injection being due.