Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?

[Kaldin]

Have you read the statements on the forum?

Yes. Which others?

[ILB]

No one said he was wearing pyjamas - I clearly stated that his clothes were downstairs and that he most likely changed into them after having a shower.

he was found in pyjamas love or definately bedwear. He couldn't have returned and had a shower and changed before Jeremy murdered him according to your scenario

[Kaldin]

I don't know what Nevill was doing before he was shot, but I do think it's possible that he was shot as he approached the bedroom. Some of the cartridges in the bedroom appear to have been found near the door, with a further one on the landing. Two of those shots were at close range, and two were from further away than two feet.

[Jane]

but was it practice back in 1985 to take your dogs out for a walk clad in your pyjamas?? Or more feasible you'd be wearing pyjamas in bed???

I have no proof of whether he did or didn't, but neither is there any valid reason why he shouldn't. His property was private and large.

[Kaldin]

Interestingly, the two shots to Nevill's face - his lip and his jaw - went downwards, which suggests that he was lower down than the shooter at the time. These shots presumably did not happen in the kitchen, so what were the relative positions of the shooter and Nevill when these shots were made?

[ILB]

 Congratulations!!! You're concurring with the conclusion that many of us arrived at eons ago.

God those straws need clutching

[ILB]

All this movement does seem to rule out Sheila somewhat..

do tell...

[Kaldin]

I suggest that Nevill was maybe shot just as he came up the last couple of stairs, which were very close to the bedroom door. That would account for the two shots to his face having a downward track - he was lower than the shooter at that point. 

Of course, that could be nonsense. He could have been on his knees in the bedroom at the time.

[ILB]

This is exactly why I hate doing this, because people take everything you say literally! It was Nevill's usual routine to take the dogs for a walk then have a shower. He most likely took his PJ's into the bathroom with him - leaving Bamber on his own and time to kill the others.

no Caroline don't cross words. You were clear that nevill took the dogs out before returning and then presumably showering. It was your scenario, you put it forward and I shot it down don't make out otherwise

[Caroline]

Yes. Which others?

David Boutflour stated "Each evening he would walk both dogs, Crispy and Bruce, around the front lawn before bed. After walking the dogs, Nevill had a shower in the downstairs bathroom every night as a matter of course. It was his normal practice afterwards to pour himself a gin and tonic, then relax in the lounge with a cigarette."

Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (p. 159). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.

[Kaldin]

David Boutflour stated "Each evening he would walk both dogs, Crispy and Bruce, around the front lawn before bed. After walking the dogs, Nevill had a shower in the downstairs bathroom every night as a matter of course. It was his normal practice afterwards to pour himself a gin and tonic, then relax in the lounge with a cigarette."

Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (p. 159). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.

Thank you. I'm not sure how David Boutflour would know so much. However, if Nevill had a gin and tonic in the lounge after his shower, why didn't Jeremy shoot him there?

[Caroline]

he was found in pyjamas love or definately bedwear. He couldn't have returned and had a shower and changed before Jeremy murdered him according to your scenario

I'm not sure why it is you can't grasp that he obviously CHANGED into his pyjamas after having a shower. I haven't written a full scenario this evening so how do you know what it does or doesn't entail? There is nothing I have said that doesn't allow Nevill to change into his pyjamas. But just to clarify!

As usual;

He walks the dogs
Goes to the shower - WITH PYJAMAS IN HAND
Has a shower

E voila!

[Caroline]

Interestingly, the two shots to Nevill's face - his lip and his jaw - went downwards, which suggests that he was lower down than the shooter at the time. These shots presumably did not happen in the kitchen, so what were the relative positions of the shooter and Nevill when these shots were made?

I believe he had to have been on the stairs.

[Jane]

Thank you. I'm not sure how David Boutflour would know so much. However, if Nevill had a gin and tonic in the lounge after his shower, why didn't Jeremy shoot him there?

There's a lot of the rhetoric in many of the questions being asked. I really don't know quite where you think the answers will come from.

[Caroline]

no Caroline don't cross words. You were clear that nevill took the dogs out before returning and then presumably showering. It was your scenario, you put it forward and I shot it down don't make out otherwise

You couldn't shoot ducks in a bucket. Kaldin knew exactly what I meant but you seem t have a bit of an agenda.