Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?

[Caroline]

well you say nevill Bamber never made a call. So the first point Essex police were even aware of the massacre was a phone call from Jeremy Bamber. Otherwise why would have they even attended whf .....

And? That was when they were first made aware - when Jeremy called ...... But OK - lets (as you say)  role play. West gets a call from Nevill Bamber, but instead of writing the details down himself, he phones Bonnett and pretends that the call he translating, comes from Mr Bambers son - even though Jeremy hasn't call yet so he wouldn't even know that Nevill had a son. Not only that, when he actually gets a call from Jeremy (some coincidence) he doesn't tell him that his dad already called and that he's sent help. Not only that, he doesn't write anywhere on HIS form or log that Nevill called and he doesn't mention it to his superior officer or even in his statement? The one person who could have solved the whole case - just sits on it?

[ILB]

Why would there be only one reference when Bamber was reporting an incident supposedly for his father? Pointless them turning up to 9 Head Street. You're the one being ludicrous!! Of course there was a second party - HIS DAD! Hence why they needed his details!

why was MY daughter recorded then??? "My father has just called come quick your sister has gone crazy and has the gun" " my daughter has gone crazy and has hold of one of my guns. I don't have a degree in sociology. But if I had a career as a despatcher in 1985 on a quiet Tuesday night i would bet id have spoken to two different people... How can you not logically come to that conclusion.

[Jane]

well you say nevill Bamber never made a call. So the first point Essex police were even aware of the massacre was a phone call from Jeremy Bamber. Otherwise why would have they even attended whf .....

By George!!! I DO believe he's got it. It still needs a bit of a tweak, though. Jeremy didn't report a massacre, he only reported an alleged phone call from his father. He DID give them Nevill's home address. It would have been a bit of a waste if they'd turned up in Head Street

[Caroline]

Caroline love, take the blinkers off for a second. These are man of the world south London boy dectectives in their forties fifties... Do you honestly think they initially took 24 year old posh boy Bambers word for merit at the first instance in August 85? They combed the place. Why wasn't the silencer discovered within six hours???

Listen chucky egg! The only time I wore blinkers is when I thought Bamber might be innocent. You're not thinking this thing through petal - WHY would they be looking for a silencer? At that point they had no idea that a silencer was relevant! It's really not that difficult!

[Jane]

why was MY daughter recorded then??? "My father has just called come quick your sister has gone crazy and has the gun" " my daughter has gone crazy and has hold of one of my guns. I don't have a degree in sociology. But if I had a career as a despatcher in 1985 on a quiet Tuesday night i would bet id have spoken to two different people... How can you not logically come to that conclusion.

The very simple answer is that West changed from the third person to the first. You're clearly hell bent on repeating certain questions so you'd best be prepared for getting the same answers. Though they're unlikely to be the ones you want.

[ILB]

And? That was when they were first made aware - when Jeremy called ...... But OK - lets (as you say)  role play. West gets a call from Nevill Bamber, but instead of writing the details down himself, he phones Bonnett and pretends that the call he translating, comes from Mr Bambers son - even though Jeremy hasn't call yet so he wouldn't even know that Nevill had a son. Not only that, when he actually gets a call from Jeremy (some coincidence) he doesn't tell him that his dad already called and that he's sent help. Not only that, he doesn't write anywhere on HIS form or log that Nevill called and he doesn't mention it to his superior officer or even in his statement? The one person who could have solved the whole case - just sits on it?

you can place as much spin on it as you want. Just take a breather and read the dialogue with a common sense approach. In 1985 on a August night early hours of the morning would you expect such a ," ruckus" as a everyday occurence. That copper didn't get his details mixed there were two different people and two phonecalls

[Caroline]

Listen chucky egg! The only time I wore blinkers is when I thought Bamber might be innocent. You're not thinking this thing through petal - WHY would they be looking for a silencer? At that point they had no idea that a silencer was relevant! It's really not that difficult!

Lets role play again.

You're one of the police officers that discover 4 bodies all clearly murdered by gun shots.  Then a 5th body with a gun laying across them is also found you all quickly conclude 4 murders and a suicide. Now at which point do you suggest they go and look for a silencer?

[ILB]

By George!!! I DO believe he's got it. It still needs a bit of a tweak, though. Jeremy didn't report a massacre, he only reported an alleged phone call from his father. He DID give them Nevill's home address. It would have been a bit of a waste if they'd turned up in Head Street

Neville never reported a massacre " beserk can mean many things" meaning Shelia has had a psychotic episode and there are children here. "It could be interpreted he was worried for his wife and children's safety

[Caroline]

you can place as much spin on it as you want. Just take a breather and read the dialogue with a common sense approach. In 1985 on a August night early hours of the morning would you expect such a ," ruckus" as a everyday occurence. That copper didn't get his details mixed there were two different people and two phonecalls

I have read the dialogue hundreds of times but you're the one who needs to take a breather and see that you're sucked into the conspiracy theory. There is no ruckus mentioned just that someone has hold of a gun and yes, there were indeed two phone calls - one from JEREMY Bamber to West and the other from West to Bonnett.

[Jane]

you can place as much spin on it as you want. Just take a breather and read the dialogue with a common sense approach. In 1985 on a August night early hours of the morning would you expect such a ," ruckus" as a everyday occurence. That copper didn't get his details mixed there were two different people and two phonecalls

Ha! You've hit the nail on the head!!! That's exactly the laissez faire attitude Jeremy applied to it.

[Caroline]

Neville never reported a massacre " beserk can mean many things" meaning Shelia has had a psychotic episode and there are children here. "It could be interpreted he was worried for his wife and children's safety

The word berserk was what Bonnett chose to use instead of 'crazy', he uses it again in his log to describe the dogs!

[Jane]

Neville never reported a massacre " beserk can mean many things" meaning Shelia has had a psychotic episode and there are children here. "It could be interpreted he was worried for his wife and children's safety

well you say nevill Bamber never made a call. So the first point Essex police were even aware of the massacre was a phone call from Jeremy Bamber. Otherwise why would have they even attended whf .....

You're perfectly correct in that Nevill never reported a massacre -difficult when he was a victim- or phoned anyone. Jeremy told the police his father had phoned but he didn't say anything about a massacre, which rather suggests that police knew nothing of a massacre until they broke into the farmhouse.

[ILB]

Lets role play again.

You're one of the police officers that discover 4 bodies all clearly murdered by gun shots.  Then a 5th body with a gun laying across them is also found you all quickly conclude 4 murders and a suicide. Now at which point do you suggest they go and look for a silencer?

ok I will roll play. Im s DS J ones. I don't buy Jeremy's " dying swan act of being sick " fegining grief" I take an instant dislike to him from the offset. Would I order a cursory search or wouldn't I would I stumble across a silencer in a cupboard even if I wasnt looking for it I think I would wouldn't I?

[Caroline]

ok I will roll play. Im s DS ones. I don't buy Jeremy's " dying swan act of being sick " fegining grief" I take an instant dislike to him from the offset. Would I order a cursory search or wouldn't I would I stumble across a silencer in a cupboard even if I wasnt looking for it I think I would wouldn't I?

Well, you must be Jones who has second sight because at that venture 'mystic Jones' knew nothing about a silencer  .

[Caroline]

Well, you must be Jones who has second sight because at that venture 'mystic Jones' knew nothing about a silencer  .

So, Jones finding a silencer (although he didn't know there was one and had no reason to believe one was used or any evidence to show that he did find one). Does what with it - at this point?