Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?

[ILB]

And there is no way Nevill Bamber called the police.

then how did the copper get both ages of 26 and 27?

[ILB]

And yet she was actually 28, not long had a birthday so her dad was hardly likely to get it wrong. Bamber on the other hand ..... she's 26/27 - Neither log had her correct name because Bamber couldn't remember that she was called Caffell. Again, not something her dad would (coincidently) get wrong (too).

my sister is married I often refer to her still by my own surname when it's put to me. What's the relevance??

[Caroline]

then how did the copper get both ages of 26 and 27?

Already been answered.

[ILB]

Already been answered.

" cd 1990 daughter has gone beserk and has got hold of one on MY guns" I'm going to place empathise on the word MY. How do we get " MY guns and a"  refered by the SON of nevill Bamber Caroline??? If it's the same log.

[Caroline]

" cd 1990 daughter has gone beserk and has got hold of one on MY guns" I'm going to place empathise on the word MY. How do we get " MY guns and a"  refered by the SON of nevill Bamber Caroline??? If it's the same log.

If you bothered to read past posts on this topic, you will see it has been done to death!! However - Wests log contains Jeremy's details and Bonnett wrote down Nevill's details as this was the form that contained the potential victims details and an account of the issue. Bonnett makes it CLEAR! that he is documenting information from Cd 1990 which is West's call sign and that the information received was from the SON (Jeremy) of Mr Bamber! The Jury saw the log, it wasn't withheld and neither was West's = although the CT will have you believe it was.

[Jane]

" cd 1990 daughter has gone beserk and has got hold of one on MY guns" I'm going to place empathise on the word MY. How do we get " MY guns and a"  refered by the SON of nevill Bamber Caroline??? If it's the same log.

D'you know. I'm beginning to think it might be a good idea for you to do a bit of role play. Just imagine for a moment that you're West and "Brrr Brrr" the phone rings. A voice, who you eventually ascertain to be Jeremy Bamber tells you that he's received a call from his father, Nevill Bamber, telling, of his sister, "She's gone berserk and got hold of a gun" and the line went dead. Jeremy Bamber then goes on to tell you his sister's age and name along with his father's address and telephone number.  NOW, you need to relay the message to someone who can get help out to them. I challenge you to try, without taking half an hour to do it.

[ILB]

If you bothered to read past posts on this topic, you will see it has been done to death!! However - Wests log contains Jeremy's details and Bonnett wrote down Nevill's details as this was the form that contained the potential victims details and an account of the issue. Bonnett makes it CLEAR! that he is documenting information from Cd 1990 which is West's call sign and that the information received was from the SON (Jeremy) of Mr Bamber! The Jury saw the log, it wasn't withheld and neither was West's = although the CT will have you believe it was.

its been done to death by people like yourself and Me who were nothing to do with August 7th 1985 and have nothing to offer on the subject but our own opinions. Why were two ages mentioned?? Why does the log both refer to the " on the information of the son of nevill Bamber" and also states " MY daughter has gone beserk,"  why do we have my daughter aged 26 my sister aged 27. I'm not even championing Jeremy Bambers innocence here. That's the most laughable aspect. I'm just highlighting things that cause concern as to why two phonecalls did probably occur. Put all things into perspective. We had a silencer Essex police couldn't find discovered by relatives we had a girlfriend who was about a truthful as habitual thief on the superdrug run. We have police logs that belong on two point four children. I have no idea if Jeremy Bamber is innocent or gulity. All i can state is that in my opinion is that he deserves a retrial. The trial of October 1986 was a farce and a shame to British justice

[ILB]

D'you know. I'm beginning to think it might be a good idea for you to do a bit of role play. Just imagine for a moment that you're West and "Brrr Brrr" the phone rings. A voice, who you eventually ascertain to be Jeremy Bamber tells you that he's received a call from his father, Nevill Bamber, telling, of his sister, "She's gone berserk and got hold of a gun" and the line went dead. Jeremy Bamber then goes on to tell you his sister's age and name along with his father's address and telephone number.  NOW, you need to relay the message to someone who can get help out to them. I challenge you to try, without taking half an hour to do it.

ok we will do role play. If only one individual speaks to you. How do you get the following phrases " acting on the information and " my daughter " furthermore you still haven't answered my Julie question. Where is my logical answer I asked for 24 hours ago???

[ILB]

If you bothered to read past posts on this topic, you will see it has been done to death!! However - Wests log contains Jeremy's details and Bonnett wrote down Nevill's details as this was the form that contained the potential victims details and an account of the issue. Bonnett makes it CLEAR! that he is documenting information from Cd 1990 which is West's call sign and that the information received was from the SON (Jeremy) of Mr Bamber! The Jury saw the log, it wasn't withheld and neither was West's = although the CT will have you believe it was.

absolute bollocks if only one person made a call that night there would be ONLY a reference to a " Mr Jeremy Bamber 9 head street goldhanger" you can't deny that " MY daughter has got hold of one of MY guns and not get to the conclusion of a second party. Stop being ludicrous

[Caroline]

its been done to death by people like yourself and Me who were nothing to do with August 7th 1985 and have nothing to offer on the subject but our own opinions. Why were two ages mentioned?? Why does the log both refer to the " on the information of the son of nevill Bamber" and also states " MY daughter has gone beserk,"  why do we have my daughter aged 26 my sister aged 27. I'm not even championing Jeremy Bambers innocence here. That's the most laughable aspect. I'm just highlighting things that cause concern as to why two phonecalls did probably occur. Put all things into perspective. We had a silencer Essex police couldn't find discovered by relatives we had a girlfriend who was about a truthful as habitual thief on the superdrug run. We have police logs that belong on two point four children. I have no idea if Jeremy Bamber is innocent or gulity. All i can state is that in my opinion is that he deserves a retrial. The trial of October 1986 was a farce and a shame to British justice

Not just by the likes of you and I, he's had TWO appeal and numerous submissions to the CCRC - which has ALL failed because there is nothing that shows he's innocent. It's your opinion that he should have a retrial - but if new evidence worth it's salt comes to light (not holding my breath), then he would deserve one.

By the way, Essex police weren't looking for a silencer - why would they be when they thought it was four murders and a suicide and no reason to think a silencer was used?

For someone not championing Bambers innocence, you're doing a VERY GOOD impression! The two men who wrote the logs at NO TIME mention a call from Nevill Bamber and just because YOU (and other conspiracy theorists) don't like the way they were written - well, bad grammar and sloppy habits doesn't make Bamber innocent. There were two phone calls - one from Jeremy Bamber to PC West and the other from PC West to Bonnett.

[Caroline]

ok we will do role play. If only one individual speaks to you. How do you get the following phrases " acting on the information and " my daughter " furthermore you still haven't answered my Julie question. Where is my logical answer I asked for 24 hours ago???

Where does it state 'acting on the information'?

[Caroline]

absolute bollocks if only one person made a call that night there would be ONLY a reference to a " Mr Jeremy Bamber 9 head street goldhanger" you can't deny that " MY daughter has got hold of one of MY guns and not get to the conclusion of a second party. Stop being ludicrous

Why would there be only one reference when Bamber was reporting an incident supposedly for his father? Pointless them turning up to 9 Head Street. You're the one being ludicrous!! Of course there was a second party - HIS DAD! Hence why they needed his details!

[ILB]

Where does it state 'acting on the information'?

well you say nevill Bamber never made a call. So the first point Essex police were even aware of the massacre was a phone call from Jeremy Bamber. Otherwise why would have they even attended whf .....

[Jane]

ok we will do role play. If only one individual speaks to you. How do you get the following phrases " acting on the information and " my daughter " furthermore you still haven't answered my Julie question. Where is my logical answer I asked for 24 hours ago???

A rough guess says it was a bit like Chinese whispers with West changing it from the third person to the first person for ease and speed of conveyance. Police aren't required to have a degree in English Language. How many times do members post stuff here that it's hard to make head or tail of? How many times do they put other interpretations onto something?

For an alleged neutral, you do a damn fine job of defending Jeremy, Julie in particular taking a bashing. I think the best you can do, if you want to know what may have motivated her, is to read her statements, empty your head of your own 'stuff' and see if you can get inside her head.

[ILB]

Not just by the likes of you and I, he's had TWO appeal and numerous submissions to the CCRC - which has ALL failed because there is nothing that shows he's innocent. It's your opinion that he should have a retrial - but if new evidence worth it's salt comes to light (not holding my breath), then he would deserve one.

By the way, Essex police weren't looking for a silencer - why would they be when they thought it was four murders and a suicide and no reason to think a silencer was used?

For someone not championing Bambers innocence, you're doing a VERY GOOD impression! The two men who wrote the logs at NO TIME mention a call from Nevill Bamber and just because YOU (and other conspiracy theorists) don't like the way they were written - well, bad grammar and sloppy habits doesn't make Bamber innocent. There were two phone calls - one from Jeremy Bamber to PC West and the other from PC West to Bonnett.

Caroline love, take the blinkers off for a second. These are man of the world south London boy dectectives in their forties fifties... Do you honestly think they initially took 24 year old posh boy Bambers word for merit at the first instance in August 85? They combed the place. Why wasn't the silencer discovered within six hours???