Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?

[Caroline]

How bizarre.

People don't go to the pub in your area? Now that's bizarre. I was actually just being polite and indicating that should you reply to my post and receive no response, it's because i won't be here. 

[ILB]

Ilovebooze why did he tell police that Sheila had trained in target practice?

what have you just said can be interpreted in both two ways. The prosecution can interpret it as Jeremy Bamber trying to cover his arse by giving the police the idea that Shelia is competent in using guns. Or it can be argued that she did have target practice. Look at it from this perspective, all of us here were not involved with the Bamber family pre August 7th 1985,  we can't just rely on relatives who only intermiddetly saw them over the years.  None of us have a clue

[ILB]

what have you just said can be interpreted in both two ways. The prosecution can interpret it as Jeremy Bamber trying to cover his arse by giving the police the idea that Shelia is competent in using guns. Or it can be argued that she did have target practice. Look at it from this perspective, all of us here were not involved with the Bamber family pre August 7th 1985,  we can't just rely on relatives. Relatives don't spend every waking minute with someone None of us have a clue

[Steve_uk]

what have you just said can be interpreted in both two ways. The prosecution can interpret it as Jeremy Bamber trying to cover his arse by giving the police the idea that Shelia is competent in using guns. Or it can be argued that she did have target practice. Look at it from this perspective, all of us here were not involved with the Bamber family pre August 7th 1985,  we can't just rely on relatives who only intermiddetly saw them over the years.  None of us have a clue

An ex-glamour model who hankered after a rich, white knight riding a steed, cloistered behind the walls of a luxurious Regency- period residence, the walls of which bore witness to the nocturnal beating fists of this creature whenever she was overcome by one of her psychotic episodes. When stabilized by medication she was lethargic, restricted in gait, largely unaware of her attire, unkempt hair or odour emanating from her person. She would relieve the tension with the inhalation of the odd joint, supplied by her drug dealer Freddi Emani, who probably expected payment in kind. She tried to keep up appearances for the twins' stays at weekends, where she would push them high upon the swings of Paddington Recreation Ground as these six-year-olds dictated the routine they experienced with her.

When forced to stay on occasion at White House Farm she once again sensed the loss of control, this time June setting the agenda, doing the rounds of endless social engagements with people with whom she had very little in common and whom she secretly despised. So often she had cut herself with a sharp instrument in an impassioned cry for help which remained unanswered, the inscription on the bedroom wardrobe "I hate this place" confirming her true yet ineffable torment.

The idea that this soul could possibly have found the time to attend a firing range, when all she wanted out of life was to keep her health, her sanity, to paint her nails and be told she looked pretty, is absurd.

[Kaldin]

People don't go to the pub in your area? Now that's bizarre. I was actually just being polite and indicating that should you reply to my post and receive no response, it's because i won't be here. 

They do go to the pub - some of them too much.   

I'm interested in your reasons for thinking that Jeremy is guilty. You don't think the silencer evidence holds up, you don't appear to be basing it on Julie's statements, so I'm wondering why you think he's guilty now.

[ILB]

An ex-glamour model who hankered after a rich, white knight riding a steed, cloistered behind the walls of a luxurious Regency- period residence, the walls of which bore witness to the nocturnal beating fists of this creature whenever she was overcome by one of her psychotic episodes. When stabilized by medication she was lethargic, restricted in gait, largely unaware of her attire, unkempt hair or odour emanating from her person. She would relieve the tension with the inhalation of the odd joint, supplied by her drug dealer Freddi Emani, who probably expected payment in kind. She tried to keep up appearances for the twins' stays at weekends, where she would push them high upon the swings of Paddington Recreation Ground as these six-year-olds dictated the routine they experienced with her.

When forced to stay on occasion at White House Farm she once again sensed the loss of control, this time June setting the agenda, doing the rounds of endless social engagements with people with whom she had very little in common and whom she secretly despised. So often she had cut herself with a sharp instrument in an impassioned cry for help which remained unanswered, the inscription on the bedroom wardrobe "I hate this place" confirming her true yet ineffable torment.

The idea that this soul could possibly have found the time to attend a firing range, when all she wanted out of life was to keep her health, her sanity, to paint her nails and be told she looked pretty, is absurd.

that is absolute utter bollocks. I'm sorry what a load of fucking shite

[Steve_uk]

They do go to the pub - some of them too much.   

I'm interested in your reasons for thinking that Jeremy is guilty. You don't think the silencer evidence holds up, you don't appear to be basing it on Julie's statements, so I'm wondering why you think he's guilty now.

Maybe I can speak for Caroline whilst she's down at the pub enjoying her pink gin and tonic. She wrote to him and he avoided the difficult questions, just as he has done with all his legal representation to date. He prefers mother figures like Trudi, bland and harmless, who offer unswerving approbation without any need for reciprocity on his part.

[Jane]

what have you just said can be interpreted in both two ways. The prosecution can interpret it as Jeremy Bamber trying to cover his arse by giving the police the idea that Shelia is competent in using guns. Or it can be argued that she did have target practice. Look at it from this perspective, all of us here were not involved with the Bamber family pre August 7th 1985,  we can't just rely on relatives who only intermiddetly saw them over the years.  None of us have a clue

You're right. We were not involved with the Bamber family before the massacre, but some of us are doing more than relying on what was said by relatives. By taking a look at Sheila's life we can get some clues.

A girl less inclined toward country pursuits it would be difficult to find. Certainly, she accompanied the family to a shoot in Scotland -I mean, given the chance, who of us wouldn't?! Brilliant time of year. Wonderful scenery. Great 'apres' shoot parties- she may well have posed with a gun. She may even, on occasion, have shot one in the air. It doesn't mean she was gun competent. It doesn't mean she could break and load. It doesn't denote an interest in either country pursuits in general or guns in particular .....................NEITHER does her chosen lifestyle. Just how much further away could she get from country life than London. No chance there for huntin', shootin', and fishin', instead she choose girly pursuits such as secretarials, hairdressing, and finally, modelling. Not that she made a success of any of them. When all else failed and she needed to earn, she turned to cleaning houses and waiting at tables rather than leaving London and returning to rural Essex where she'd have had security from the business her parents offered to set her up in, plus a house they'd have given her. She appears to have been scratching around for every penny. From where do you imagine she'd have found the money for shooting lessons if she'd even had time to think it was something she might enjoy. Given that she didn't even like her boys to play with guns, I suspect the thought never crossed her mind that she might enjoy shooting.

 Then, of course, there's her well documented lack of coordination and her inability to place beans on toast -one shouldn't be surprised that she failed miserably at both secretarials and hairdressing. She'd have been hitting all the wrong keys, and God knows what she'd have done with a pair of scissors in her hands!!! Odd, that every one of the shots fired from that gun found a home, isn't it? I'd have said that the shooter knew exactly how to aim and fire a gun, and had the ability to reload with confidence when necessary. I'm also willing to bet that person wasn't Sheila.

[Steve_uk]

that is absolute utter bollocks. I'm sorry what a load of fucking shite

You're from the David1819 school of membership on this site. I have come to respect him over the years yet you sir still have much to learn.

[Kaldin]

Maybe I can speak for Caroline whilst she's down at the pub enjoying her pink gin and tonic. She wrote to him and he avoided the difficult questions, just as he has done with all his legal representation to date. He prefers mother figures like Trudi, bland and harmless, who offer unswerving approbation without any need for reciprocity on his part.

OK, thank you. It sounds like a gut feeling that he's avoiding answering certain questions because he's hiding something.

[Jane]

OK, thank you. It sounds like a gut feeling that he's avoiding answering certain questions because he's hiding something.

Or possibly, after all these years of incarceration, he can't recall what he's told to whom.  If it's the truth, naturally he'll have given the same answer to whomsoever has asked the question. However, if it isn't the truth............

[ILB]

Come on look at this logically for a moment. " She couldn't even plate beans on toast " if I had a pound for every time my brother and father had ridiculed me over the years for " not being able to knock the rice of skin pudding " I'd be a wealthy man. It's just the opinion of people around her. It's mockery In essence. If I recall Shelia had been on a shooting holiday. One relative recalls her handling a gun? She was also a farmers daughter. I go back to what I earlier said. None of us were privy to the bambers activities. But it's all speculation. I don't think I'm being outlandish in stating that Shelia knew how to handle guns.

[Steve_uk]

Come on look at this logically for a moment. " She couldn't even plate beans on toast " if I had a pound for every time my brother and father had ridiculed me over the years for " not being able to knock the rice of skin pudding " I'd be a wealthy man. It's just the opinion of people around her. It's mockery In essence. If I recall Shelia had been on a shooting holiday. One relative recalls her handling a gun? She was also a farmers daughter. I go back to what I earlier said. None of us were privy to the bambers activities. But it's all speculation. I don't think I'm being outlandish in stating that Shelia knew how to handle guns.

But she didn't live there most of the time and whenever she did she couldn't wait to get away! She held a gun once in her hand in Scotland in 1978 whilst she and Colin were grouse beaters and David Boutflour helped her pull the trigger. That was it.

[ILB]

But she didn't live there most of the time and whenever she did she couldn't wait to get away! She held a gun once in her hand in Scotland in 1978 whilst she and Colin were grouse beaters and David Boutflour helped her pull the trigger. That was it.

Steve, were you and shelia acquainted pre August 7th 85?

[Jane]

Come on look at this logically for a moment. " She couldn't even plate beans on toast " if I had a pound for every time my brother and father had ridiculed me over the years for " not being able to knock the rice of skin pudding " I'd be a wealthy man. It's just the opinion of people around her. It's mockery In essence. If I recall Shelia had been on a shooting holiday. One relative recalls her handling a gun? She was also a farmers daughter. I go back to what I earlier said. None of us were privy to the bambers activities. But it's all speculation. I don't think I'm being outlandish in stating that Shelia knew how to handle guns.

No, but you're making sweeping statements and relying on generalizations. My friends, wives, daughters, and sisters to farmers, have NEVER touched guns, have never been on shoots. This doesn't mean that ALL country women dislike country pursuits, it just means that it's not a given that they do. You will have noted that I've looked at a much bigger picture, here. What I haven't bought into the picture is her illness, subsequent medication and the effects it had on her person. They would all preclude any form of dexterity.