Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?

[Kaldin]

Were does it say they weren't at Whitham?

Bews, Myall, and Saxby didn't say they weren't at Witham police station, but PC West did say that he was informed that the Witham area car had just arrived at Witham.

[Strobe]

The accounts given in the papers are misleading. The basic argument concerning West's call by telephone to Witham at 03.37 is that it tallies perfectly with the time of 03.36 on West's log, given that West said in court that he thought he had spoken to Jeremy for about a minute before putting him on hold to make another call.

But the call he made was not the one he made to headquarters which was received by Malcolm Bonnett at 03.26. It was made to Witham Police station, as is recorded in the note with the 03.37 time apparently written by PC Myall.

What seems to have happened is this. It was Nevill and not Jeremy who called PC West at just before 03.26. It was Nevill who West put on hold when he made the two calls he described with allegedly Jeremy on hold, firstly to headquarters at 03.26 (received by Bonnett) and secondly to Witham by radio at 03.30 (received by PC Saxby).

If the length of these two call is put at around five minutes, it's likely that Nevill would have been dead or disabled when West tried to speak to him again after he, West, had called Witham at 03.30. This takes events up to about 03.33

Assuming the call to Witham took about 3 minutes, West would have had only a few minutes before Jeremy called at 03.36. He evidently spoke to Jeremy for about a minute before calling Witham again at 03.37.

It appears that the intention of the police was to cover up the fact that Nevill called  earlier than Jeremy did and to pretend that Nevill's call was made by Jeremy at about 03:24. The significance of the note relating the 03.37 call is that it makes complete nonsense of the claim that Jeremy called at 03.24. That would imply that Jeremy's call lasted from 03.24 to around 03.40., a total of about 16 minutes and that he was on hold from 03.26 until about 03.39. Remember that the time on Myall's note gives the time of the start of West's call as 03.37.

Further, we are asked to believe that West actually called Witham twice while Jeremy was on hold, once by radio at 03.30 and again by phone at 03.37. It is notable that PC West did not mention his second call to Witham in his statements. It seems that when the police merged together the two calls from Nevill and Jeremy they had to do the same with the two calls to Witham. The note with the 03.37 time exposes the deception.

[Kaldin]

The accounts given in the papers are misleading. The basic argument concerning West's call to Witham at 03.37 is that it tallies perfectly with the time of 03.36 on West's log, given that West said in court that he thought he had spoken to Jeremy for about a minute before putting him on hold to make another call.

But the call he made was not the one he made to headquarters which was received by Malcolm Bonnett at 03.26. It was made to Witham Police station, as is recorded in the note with the 03.37 time apparently written by PC Myall.

What seems to have happened is this. It was Nevill and not Jeremy who called PC West at just before 03.26. It was Nevill who West put on hold when he made the two calls he described with allegedly Jeremy on hold, firstly to headquarters at 03.26 (received by Bonnett) and secondly to Witham at 03.30 (received by PC Saxby).

If the length of these two call is put at around five minutes, it's likely that Nevill would have been dead or disabled when West tried to speak to him again after he, West, had called Witham at 03.30. This takes events up to about 03.33

Assuming the call to Witham took about 3 minutes, West would have had only a few minutes before Jeremy called at 03.36. He evidently spoke to Jeremy for about a minute before calling Witham again at 03.37.

The intention of the police was to cover up the fact that Nevill called  earlier than Jeremy did and to pretend that Nevill's call was made by Jeremy at about 03:24. The significance of the note relating the 03.37 call is that it makes complete nonsense of the claim that Jeremy called at 03.24. That would imply that Jeremy's call lasted from 03.24 to around 03.41., a total of about 17 minutes and that he was on hold from 03.26 until about 03.40. Remember that the time on Myall's note gives the time of the start of West's call as 03.37.

Further, we are asked to believe that West actually called Witham twice while Jeremy was on hold, once by radio at 03.30 and again by phone at 03.37. It is notable that PC West did not mention his second call to Witham in his statements. It seems that when the police merged together the two calls from Nevill and Jeremy they had to do the same with the two calls to Witham. The note with the 03.37 time exposes the deception.

Before West called Witham, he had had a conversation with the person who rang at 3.24 or so, he'd spoken to Bonnet for a while, and then he spoke to Witham (PC Saxby). Saxby said that he received a call from Chelmsford at about 3.30. That makes sense to me. It was Jeremy who called West at about 3.24.

If Jeremy had rung at 3.36, West wouldn't have had time to take the details from him, call Bonnet to relay those details, and then rung Witham at 3.37.

[Strobe]

Before West called Witham, he had had a conversation with the person who rang at 3.24 or so, he'd spoken to Bonnet for a while, and then he spoke to Witham (PC Saxby). Saxby said that he received a call from Chelmsford at about 3.30. That makes sense to me. It was Jeremy who called West at about 3.24.

If Jeremy had rung at 3.36, West wouldn't have had time to take the details from him, call Bonnet to relay those details, and then rung Witham at 3.37.

West said in court he spoke to Jeremy for about a minute. Assuming it was a little longer does not alter the basic picture. 

The point I'm making is that in this other scenario West does not call Bonnett. He said he called Bonnett after speaking to Jeremy.

But the truth may be that he only called Bonnett after speaking to Nevill.

It isn't necessary to assume that West called Bonnett twice. On the other hand, the police could have got rid of the log he made of Nevill's call before he called Bonnett. At any rate that is what is being alleged and there is strong evidence to support it.

Why would West have called Witham twice with Jeremy on hold, but left any mention of the second call by phone out of his statements?

[Kaldin]

West said in court he spoke to Jeremy for about a minute. Assuming it was a little longer does not alter the basic picture.

Yes, but then he spoke to Bonnet before he phoned Witham. I would say that the call to Witham happened at about 3.30 - as Saxby said.

The note allegedly written by Myall didn't actually say that the call came into Witham at 3.37. He might have been writing it at 3.37. We need more info really, not just snippets from a log.

[Kaldin]

Just as a point of interest, the note which refers to 3.37 appears to be different handwriting to that of PC Myall. Do we know for sure who wrote that note?

[Roch]

Just as a point of interest, the note which refers to 3.37 appears to be different handwriting to that of PC Myall. Do we know for sure who wrote that note?

Interviewers during enquiry.

[Steve_uk]

The accounts given in the papers are misleading. The basic argument concerning West's call by telephone to Witham at 03.37 is that it tallies perfectly with the time of 03.36 on West's log, given that West said in court that he thought he had spoken to Jeremy for about a minute before putting him on hold to make another call.

But the call he made was not the one he made to headquarters which was received by Malcolm Bonnett at 03.26. It was made to Witham Police station, as is recorded in the note with the 03.37 time apparently written by PC Myall.

What seems to have happened is this. It was Nevill and not Jeremy who called PC West at just before 03.26. It was Nevill who West put on hold when he made the two calls he described with allegedly Jeremy on hold, firstly to headquarters at 03.26 (received by Bonnett) and secondly to Witham by radio at 03.30 (received by PC Saxby).

If the length of these two call is put at around five minutes, it's likely that Nevill would have been dead or disabled when West tried to speak to him again after he, West, had called Witham at 03.30. This takes events up to about 03.33

Assuming the call to Witham took about 3 minutes, West would have had only a few minutes before Jeremy called at 03.36. He evidently spoke to Jeremy for about a minute before calling Witham again at 03.37.

It appears that the intention of the police was to cover up the fact that Nevill called  earlier than Jeremy did and to pretend that Nevill's call was made by Jeremy at about 03:24. The significance of the note relating the 03.37 call is that it makes complete nonsense of the claim that Jeremy called at 03.24. That would imply that Jeremy's call lasted from 03.24 to around 03.40., a total of about 16 minutes and that he was on hold from 03.26 until about 03.39. Remember that the time on Myall's note gives the time of the start of West's call as 03.37.

Further, we are asked to believe that West actually called Witham twice while Jeremy was on hold, once by radio at 03.30 and again by phone at 03.37. It is notable that PC West did not mention his second call to Witham in his statements. It seems that when the police merged together the two calls from Nevill and Jeremy they had to do the same with the two calls to Witham. The note with the 03.37 time exposes the deception.

But why in that case was this information not relayed at the earliest opportunity to the head of the whole investigation, namely DCI Taff Jones, when it would have corroborated the latter's assertion that the whole incident at White House Farm had been "a domestic" with Jeremy being unambiguously in the clear?

[David1819]

Before West called Witham, he had had a conversation with the person who rang at 3.24 or so, he'd spoken to Bonnet for a while, and then he spoke to Witham (PC Saxby). Saxby said that he received a call from Chelmsford at about 3.30. That makes sense to me. It was Jeremy who called West at about 3.24.

If Jeremy had rung at 3.36, West wouldn't have had time to take the details from him, call Bonnet to relay those details, and then rung Witham at 3.37.

West is on record saying Jeremy rang him before 3:26am.
West is on record saying he indeed wrote the time of Jeremy's call at 3:26am in his statement.
Bonnet is on record saying PC West relayed information from Jeremy.
West is on record saying he could have got the time wrong in his phone log.
West never mentioned a call from Nevill.
Bonnet never mentioned a call from Nevill.
Only one call was received.

Debating people who think Nevills call happened is becoming a fools errand. Because those who continue to believe it are too stupid to realise how stupid the argument is.

[lookout]

I still say that because both father and son had addressed themselves as " Mr Bamber " is where the confusion lay.

[Kaldin]

West is on record saying Jeremy rang him before 3:26am.
West is on record saying he indeed wrote the time of Jeremy's call at 3:26am in his statement.
Bonnet is on record saying PC West relayed information from Jeremy.
West is on record saying he could have got the time wrong in his phone log.
West never mentioned a call from Nevill.
Bonnet never mentioned a call from Nevill.
Only one call was received.

Debating people who think Nevills call happened is becoming a fools errand. Because those who continue to believe it are too stupid to realise how stupid the argument is.

Yes. A mistake on the part of West has led to all kinds of speculation and statements that an appeal will be made. Now this "new" note has brought it all up again.

[Kaldin]

I still say that because both father and son had addressed themselves as " Mr Bamber " is where the confusion lay.

But if you read what both West and Bonnet wrote down, it seems clear that they were both referring to a call from Jeremy.

Why would West and Bonnet both suppress information about another call? Neither of them said there had been two calls.

[lookout]

But if you read what both West and Bonnet wrote down, it seems clear that they were both referring to a call from Jeremy.

Why would West and Bonnet both suppress information about another call? Neither of them said there had been two calls.

That's clearly their problem.

[Kaldin]

That's clearly their problem.

It's not their problem. When they made their first statements everyone assumed Sheila had done it, and there was no reason to suppress any information about an extra phone call.

[Caroline]

The accounts given in the papers are misleading. The basic argument concerning West's call by telephone to Witham at 03.37 is that it tallies perfectly with the time of 03.36 on West's log, given that West said in court that he thought he had spoken to Jeremy for about a minute before putting him on hold to make another call.

But the call he made was not the one he made to headquarters which was received by Malcolm Bonnett at 03.26. It was made to Witham Police station, as is recorded in the note with the 03.37 time apparently written by PC Myall.

What seems to have happened is this. It was Nevill and not Jeremy who called PC West at just before 03.26. It was Nevill who West put on hold when he made the two calls he described with allegedly Jeremy on hold, firstly to headquarters at 03.26 (received by Bonnett) and secondly to Witham by radio at 03.30 (received by PC Saxby).

If the length of these two call is put at around five minutes, it's likely that Nevill would have been dead or disabled when West tried to speak to him again after he, West, had called Witham at 03.30. This takes events up to about 03.33

Assuming the call to Witham took about 3 minutes, West would have had only a few minutes before Jeremy called at 03.36. He evidently spoke to Jeremy for about a minute before calling Witham again at 03.37.

It appears that the intention of the police was to cover up the fact that Nevill called  earlier than Jeremy did and to pretend that Nevill's call was made by Jeremy at about 03:24. The significance of the note relating the 03.37 call is that it makes complete nonsense of the claim that Jeremy called at 03.24. That would imply that Jeremy's call lasted from 03.24 to around 03.40., a total of about 16 minutes and that he was on hold from 03.26 until about 03.39. Remember that the time on Myall's note gives the time of the start of West's call as 03.37.

Further, we are asked to believe that West actually called Witham twice while Jeremy was on hold, once by radio at 03.30 and again by phone at 03.37. It is notable that PC West did not mention his second call to Witham in his statements. It seems that when the police merged together the two calls from Nevill and Jeremy they had to do the same with the two calls to Witham. The note with the 03.37 time exposes the deception.

So all of that aside (for a moment) - when did Jeremy call Julie?