Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?

[Steve_uk]

We are all pleased that sami and Jan are back.

[Roch]

https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/new-call-logs-evidence-oct-2019
Now undisputed sequence of phone calls and events proving that Jeremy is innocent.

03:23 approximately – phone call from Nevill Bamber to PC 1990 West at Chelmsford Town (CD)
03:26 call from PC West to Malcolm Bonnet – West passed on information from Nevill to Bonnet
03:25 - 03:30 Jeremy, alerted by a phone call from his father, tried to call Julie Mugford for advice, and finally roused her from bed at 03:30; spoke to her for 2-3 minutes.
03:30 PC West in radio conversation with PC Saxby at Witham – but Saxby and colleagues did not leave immediately to go to WHF
03:35 approximately – Jeremy Bamber telephoned PC West
03:36 PC West in conversation with Jeremy Bamber
03:37 PC West to PC Myall at Witham Police Station by telephone – Jeremy on-hold
03:39 PC West asked Jeremy to go to  WHF and tells him to meet police officers there
03:40 approximately – CA7 departs Witham to WHF

End of story - Jeremy Bamber is innocent.

When Saxby was in radio contact with West at 03.30, was this while he was out on (or returning from) patrol with Bews and Myall?

[Caroline]

When Saxby was in radio contact with West at 03.30, was this while he was out on (or returning from) patrol with Bews and Myall?

Saxby stayed at the scene maintaining a log so it must have been him who past messages back to West.

[Roch]

They don't have a cat in hells chance so I very much doubt it. 

I've replied on this thread because it seemed more relevant.

I very much doubt his legal team will show their hand.  We may only be seeing titbits presently, as the CCRC previously expressed a disdain for use of the media regarding the gun tests.  Funnily enough I can remember thinking that Kier Starmer was a w***ker when he oversaw the CCRC response to Jeremy's application.  Now I've seen Starmer in his latest incarnation - I can confirm my initial thoughts were correct. 

I was initially unimpressed with the Dickinson document.  But arguably, it is Myall corroborating West. 

[Roch]

Saxby stayed at the scene maintaining a log so it must have been him who past messages back to West.

Not sure what you mean here.  This is earlier than the scene.

[Caroline]

Not sure what you mean here.  This is earlier than the scene.

Saxby was with Bews and Myall at Whitam when they got the radio call and went with them to the scene. There he stayed.

[Caroline]

I've replied on this thread because it seemed more relevant.

I very much doubt his legal team will show their hand.  We may only be seeing titbits presently, as the CCRC previously expressed a disdain for use of the media regarding the gun tests.  Funnily enough I can remember thinking that Kier Starmer was a w***ker when he oversaw the CCRC response to Jeremy's application.  Now I've seen Starmer in his latest incarnation - I can confirm my initial thoughts were correct. 

I was initially unimpressed with the Dickinson document.  But arguably, it is Myall corroborating West.

They really made a mistake backing that particular gem because Bamber himself has previously called West a liar, accusing him of altering the log from 03:26 - 03:36. Now they're arguing he did call at 03:36. \the CCRC will be aware of his earlier claim. If they have gone to the press with it, they must have been impressed. Makes you wonder if they really know all of the facts?

[Roch]

Saxby was with Bews and Myall at Whitam when they got the radio call and went with them to the scene. There he stayed.

But at some point they weren't there?  Is this not why West had to resort to using personal radio link?  As Bews was 'out on a couple of PC's'.  Was Bews with Saxby and Myall while he was absent from Witham - then they returned after Saxby had been contacted by radio - before finally setting off after Myall witnessed Saxby being contacted by phone, inside the station?

[Caroline]

But at some point they weren't there?  Is this not why West had to resort to using personal radio link?  As Bews was 'out on a couple of PC's'.  Was Bews with Saxby and Myall while he was absent from Witham - then they returned after Saxby had been contacted by radio - before finally setting off after Myall witnessed Saxby being contacted by phone, inside the station?

Were does it say they weren't at Whitham?

[Caroline]

Were does it say they weren't at Whitham?

All three state that they were at Whitham at 03:20, Saxby  states that the received a radio message at 03:35 (from West).

[Jan]

Aw, Hi Jan, lovely to see you I hope you're well.

Hi lookout . Good to see you as well.

Just having a look around at the moment. Good to see such robust discussion and interesting points .

[Reader]

PC West stated that EACH of the two calls he made while Jeremy was on hold lasted approximately 3 minutes.

Where? At court, he stated "I would have said, in fact, 3 minutes was the total of the two conversations." He was immediately asked to confirm this, and said "Yes".

[Reader]

It's not for an unknown reason, 11 minutes is what AE stated Jeremy claimed when interviewed on the morning after the murders. I posted that days ago - but 11 minutes seems reasonable to me, given what happened during the call.

As I pointed out, she didn't claim that Jeremy was talking about the duration of his call. What she wrote left it unclear what particular interval was being referred to.

[Reader]

Nevill's call was 999 . . .

There's no evidence to indicate that Nevill made a 999 call.

[Strobe]

Where? At court, he stated "I would have said, in fact, 3 minutes was the total of the two conversations." He was immediately asked to confirm this, and said "Yes".

The two calls you have referred to are West's call to Bonnett at 03.26 and his call to Witham at 03.30. The basic point people seem to overlook is that if Jeremy called West at 03.36, West must have made those two calls after putting Nevill on hold and not Jeremy. So arguments based on the length of those earlier calls have no relevance to the question as to when Jeremy left Goldhanger or how fast he drove, if he called the police at 03:36.

If Jeremy called at 03.36 and West spoke to him for a minute before calling Witham, as is suggested by Myall's note which times West's call at 03.37, there would only be this one call before West got back to Jeremy, so the time he was on hold may have been no more than 3 minutes.
So Jeremy could have left for Whitehouse farm at around 03.40.