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Offline Parky41

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1545 on: September 24, 2019, 04:25:PM »
 ??? ???

No sinister inference -

DF - did you kill Jodi Jones.
No need to go into all the theories over time about what they may have been doing.
Pretty sure, they have been read many times.
Naturally it is DF's job to cause diversion in thought, amongst the Jury.
Clearly no answer given, that did so.
"I dunno what I was doing when my bike was stopped"
Is not a good enough answer.
Let's stretch that out.
What where you doing when your bike had stopped 10 times.
"I dunno"

Corrine's podcast and that of her and Ms Leans theory.
Nothing sinister, at all.

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1546 on: September 24, 2019, 04:27:PM »

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This is flawed in so many way:
Why on earth at this point would the police include stocky man and the male/female at the entrance?
The construction was done to show Jodi's assumed movements,
those of walking along this road and into entrance that leads to where she was murdered.
This is at a point in the investigation where they are looking for further witnesses.
They have at this point neither confirmed the timings by AB or the girl with a male walking in the
same direction.

Jodi's assumed movements - i.e. she left her house, walked down the Easthouses Road (being seen by two witnesses) and was seen at the entrance to the path speaking with a male - according to information in the police files.

Why on earth would they not include them? Media reports at the time (including an interview from a senior officer in the case) said the reconstruction was to try to "jog people's memories" about "anything they may have seen that could assist the investigation." How can people assist if they're given a false scenario to begin with?

To which "girl and a male walking in the same direction" do you refer?

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This 15mins too late - really?
They are shown an approx. time going on the information they have gathered.
What does the request actually say in this reconstruction?
It does not ask that anyone who was in the vicinity at EXACTLY  the time of
reconstruction, to the exact minute, does it?
It clearly asks, for people to jog their memories, if being in this location, AROUND said time, if they
may have seen this girl.

What? It is 15 minutes too late by the police and prosecution's own reasoning that Jodi left at 4.50pm. It doesn't ask for the "exact" time" - you make my point for me. People who passed before 5pm or after 5.15pm would automatically assume they had nothing of interest to tell the police - anything they saw (according to the reconstruction) at those times would not assist the enquiry because any person they saw could not have been Jodi, by the same reasoning.

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Did the reconstruction even get under way, at the exact time planned -
One would imagine here that this is no easy set up.
There would be road closures.
Setting up of equipment.
Film location in brief.
So many factors that could put the planned timing out.

Why does that matter? If police were sure Jodi left at 4.50, they would have blocked the Easthouses Road and set up roadblocks in time to film the reconstruction at 4.50pm. How do I know that? Because they did exactly that to film the reconstruction at just after 5pm and encouraged media footage stating that Jodi left her home just after 5pm.

The fact remains, the reconstruction went out telling people Jodi left her home just after 5pm and was on the Easthouses Road by 5.05pm, whatever the "planned" timing may or may not have been.

The point you make here is, to me, ludicrous. Think about it. "We know thebank was robbed at exactly 3.45pm and two men brandishing guns ran into the street where a brown getaway car was waiting. Unfortunately, we couldn't set up the filming on time, so we'll just tell people the robbery happened at 4pm - won't make any difference, will it?"

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Also, do you not state in your book about a man following Jodi into this path, this man, being one who was also on the path?
Or did the person who copied these extracts, get it wrong?

No, I did not. I have never claimed Stocky Man "followed Jodi into the path" - I've always taken the stance that no-one, ever, saw Jodi walk into the entrance to the path, so how could  possibly have said what you claim here? However, Stocky Man should also have been included in the reconstruction as his presence at 5.05pm, on the Easthouses Road, behind Jodi, was confirmed by 2 witnesses.
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Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1547 on: September 24, 2019, 08:16:PM »
the stocky might be totally innocent even if he did follow heer onto the path.

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1548 on: September 24, 2019, 09:18:PM »
The title is fine. What "defendant" is he talking about? He's convicted. There is no presumption of evidence to be maintained.

I'm not sure the case requires more than one thread though, there's really nothing to it.  Open n shut case.
The conjunction may suggest a causal link in some people's minds and is prejudicial. I suggest simply: The murder of Jodie Jones, Luke Mitchell's conviction for the murder of Jodie Jones or something akin.
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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1549 on: September 24, 2019, 10:02:PM »
Wait... but you claim everywhere that he was seen "following" Jodi, who we know ended up on the path. So you must believe he was heading for the path, or he wouldn't be "following" her would he? He'd simply happen to be walking down a street quite a distance behind her. Your use of the word "following" is the sensationalism I'm talking about. Do you believe this guy was following Jodi or not? In which case, yes you are claiming he went onto the path.

The police appeal for witnesses to Stocky Man described him as "following behind her" or, in some articles, "following closely behind her," so if anyone is guilty of sensationalism, it's police press agents. I have argued for years that there is no evidence that Jodi turned into the entrance to Roan's Dyke path from the Easthouses Road at a little after 5pm that evening - she could have walked straight past, because nobody saw her turn onto the entrance or on the path itself. How many times do I have to say this? 

If Jodi went elsewhere (and there is nothing to say she didn't - we have no idea what time she died and therefore no idea what time she was on the path), Stocky Man could just as easily have followed her wherever she went. So, no, I am not saying he followed her onto the path because I've never been convinced she turned directly into the path just after 5pm, because nobody saw her do so.

It's not just me who thinks Jodi could have gone elsewhere. The police were asking certain witnesses about a "hang out" spot, out of sight of the road, past the entrance to the path on the other side of the road. People in that spot could see people on the road/pavement, but not vice versa. Why were the police asking about that particular place? To ascertain whether Jodi might have been headed there first. It's not far past the entrance to the path, but it is past it and across the road.

Why might Jodi have been headed there? I've no idea - it could be speculated that it was a good place to smoke without being seen (something alluded to by one witness - smoking there, not any particular suggestion of Jodi heading there that night). Or maybe to pick up some cannabis without being seen? Or maybe to have a smoke and kill some time before heading down to see Luke, since she was early for meeting him?

Let me ask you a question, Lithium. If evidence were to emerge that the time of death as 5.15pm was definitely, categorically wrong, would that change your opinion of who killed Jodi?

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Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1550 on: September 25, 2019, 08:27:AM »
So, even if evidence emerged showing that Jodi was killed at a time where there is definitive, categorical proof that Luke was nowhere near Roan's Dyke Path or the woodland strip, you'd still believe Luke was the killer? Really?

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Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1551 on: September 25, 2019, 02:29:PM »
I'm not talking about Corinne's alibi. I said, if new evidence proving Jodi wasn't killed at 5.15pm emerged - evidence that showed she was killed at a different time, when Luke could be proven to be elsewhere, would you change your opinion.

I didn't say there was evidence - I asked what you would do IF there was?

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Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1552 on: September 25, 2019, 04:57:PM »
You've not categorically, definitively proved anything you've claimed in 15 years.

“Never admit defeat. It's better to just stay on the Titanic and pretend. Pretend like everything is fine. Just refuse to acknowledge the ice cold water flowing in. It doesn't even matter if it goes over your head, you can still hold your breath.”

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Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1553 on: September 26, 2019, 08:59:AM »
Who are "they," Davie?

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1554 on: September 26, 2019, 06:04:PM »
Let me ask you a question, Lithium. If evidence were to emerge that the time of death as 5.15pm was definitely, categorically wrong, would that change your opinion of who killed Jodi?

"what if , and bare with me on this , what if things were in fact diferent from reality. would you feel diferent about reality? HMMM?"

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1555 on: September 26, 2019, 06:12:PM »
"what if , and bare with me on this , what if things were in fact diferent from reality. would you feel diferent about reality? HMMM?"

Have they found the Luke doppelganger seen with Jodi near the scene of crime and the time of the crime wearing the same type of clothes Luke wore that day yet?

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1556 on: September 26, 2019, 06:24:PM »
Have they found the Luke doppelganger seen with Jodi near the scene of crime and the time of the crime wearing the same type of clothes Luke wore that day yet?

and course there would be nobody else town with a green jacket on would there.

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1557 on: September 26, 2019, 06:40:PM »
Have they found the Luke doppelganger seen with Jodi near the scene of crime and the time of the crime wearing the same type of clothes Luke wore that day yet?

Tim Hennis had a doppelgänger near the crime scene. Where and who is the Luke doppelgänger? 




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Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1558 on: September 26, 2019, 07:39:PM »
Where's the forensic evidence? The pathologist Anthony Busuttil said Jodie put up a defence to her killer.

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Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1559 on: September 26, 2019, 07:52:PM »
Where's the forensic evidence? The pathologist Anthony Busuttil said Jodie put up a defence to her killer.

99% of what Anthony Busuttil has allegedly said is nothing but distorted bullshit from Luke's supporters.

Sandra could always type out Busuttils actual evidence verbatim. Just like when she typed out the DNA reports and typed out Lukes police questioning. But she wont do that because the more that's revealed the more apparent Luke's guilt becomes.