Re: The murder of Jodi Jones

[marty]

No, the dog was tested by an expert and said to bepartially trained

[sandra L]

Urine bottles - strange but no proof of murder, also is there evidence these were there before the murder?

No, there isn't. Also, contrary to distorted media coverage, there were no bottles of urine found in the first raid on July 4th  - the retention of urine didn't begin until after that raid and was explained later by a psychologist as a reaction to the trauma of not only finding Jodi's body, but the raid in which they tore his home apart and the relentless media attention thereafter.

In fact, the first bottles of urine were  obtained in August, just before the second raid, unlawfully and by dishonest means by the FLO who entered Luke's room without another officer present (in spite of Dobbie's assurance that she would always have had "corroboration") - basically, that is entrapment. She had no legal right to be in Luke's room, alone, gathering items covertly.

Findlay argued that the bottles of urine had no relevant connection to the murder and should not be allowed as evidence - the Crown argued (and the court agreed) that although that was true, the evidence went towards showing that Luke was "not a normal teenager." By August, I'd agree - how many 14 year olds have seen what he saw that night and then had to go through massive media attention pointing to them as a murderer after having their entire house pulled apart?

Did it show him as "not normal" before the murder? Nope - like the tattoo and the Marilyn Manson CD, this was after the murder. Put quite simply, if there had been bottles of urine in his room on July 4th, they'd have found them.

[nugnug]

well pissing in bottle canbe caused like the trauma of having a loved one murdered.

[nugnug]

We only have Corrine and Luke Mitchell’s word that it was a “trained tracker” .

a dog found sarah paines body theres no suggestion the dog walker was invloved.

[David1819]

No, the dog was tested by an expert and said to bepartially trained

Really?

Corrine Mitchell used to post on forum in 2010 (as Corrine Mitchell). She was pressed on the subject and it became apparent that NO BODY had trained the dog and the dog had never been professionally trained as a tracker.

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-postings-now-archived-see-new-thread-t398-s390.html

More hyperbole and distortions.

Sandra could always post the certificate to say it was a trained and competent search/rescue dog. But wont because there is none.

[lookout]

Any dog whether trained or not would take you to a body. We all know that their sense of smell is a million times that of a human, so trained or not any dog would/could have smelled that body.

What keeps bugging me is the fact that Corinne sat a polygraph test not knowing what would have been asked of her yet passed it. ? I'd have said it was much harder for a woman to pass such a test ?

[nugnug]

Any dog whether trained or not would take you to a body. We all know that their sense of smell is a million times that of a human, so trained or not any dog would/could have smelled that body.

What keeps bugging me is the fact that Corinne sat a polygraph test not knowing what would have been asked of her yet passed it. ? I'd have said it was much harder for a woman to pass such a test ?

exactly.

[lookout]

Also with the bottles of urine, that's a sure sign of nerves because if he'd wanted to use the toilet he'd have been constantly in and out of the bathroom.

[lookout]

exactly.

Nugs, the same as any dog can smell/detect cancer ! The only time the training comes in is when they're told to stop/halt where the scent of what it is they're looking for, is detected.

[lookout]

Also with the bottles of urine, that's a sure sign of nerves because if he'd wanted to use the toilet he'd have been constantly in and out of the bathroom.

With most traumas a person can wet themselves or even vomit. It can be an uncontrollable sudden reflex so to try and use this as part of the proceedings in a proof of guilt is so very wrong, or to even think about using it.

[David1819]

Any dog whether trained or not would take you to a body.

Ricky Gervais facepalm gif.

What keeps bugging me is the fact that Corinne sat a polygraph test not knowing what would have been asked of her yet passed it. ? I'd have said it was much harder for a woman to pass such a test ?

You can pass a polygraph and be lying you know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3fHkCFxgQQ

[nugnug]

Ricky Gervais facepalm gif.

You can pass a polygraph and be lying you know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3fHkCFxgQQ

a dog foound sarah paines body are you susgesting the dog walker was involved in the murder.

[marty]

Really?

Corrine Mitchell used to post on forum in 2010 (as Corrine Mitchell). She was pressed on the subject and it became apparent that NO BODY had trained the dog and the dog had never been professionally trained as a tracker.

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-postings-now-archived-see-new-thread-t398-s390.html

More hyperbole and distortions.

Sandra could always post the certificate to say it was a trained and competent search/rescue dog. But wont because there is none.

I think luke was training the dog himself . As far as im aware there was a statement made to verify the dog was partially trained but the evidence wasnt used at court. The statement from an expert. Why would you have a certificate for a partially trained dog that you were training yourself?

[marty]

It was also verified by the search partys origional statements that the dog reacted at the wall which ended in finding the body.
Standing on its back legs and its a big dog ect.

[WakeyWakey]

I think luke was training the dog himself . As far as im aware there was a statement made to verify the dog was partially trained but the evidence wasnt used at court. The statement from an expert. Why would you have a certificate for a partially trained dog that you were training yourself?

As sandra says on wap forum, lukes defence put some effort into to demonstrate the dog was properly trained but evidence was never brought to court. can only speculate why but maybe because the evidence wasnt compelling and would have convinced no one, resulting in endless back and forth between defence and prosecution?