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Offline mike tesko

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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #135 on: March 12, 2018, 06:45:PM »
Hi Mike
where is there any mention of a sighting in 'Parents bedroom"?

It was far right room 'Sheilla's bedroom" or were there two sightings, it would make sense if there were, more the better......

That's just it, officially neither Bews, not Myall make any mention in either their notebook entries, or their witness statements that anyone at all was seen at the parents bedroom window (top left window at the real front of the farmhouse)! The cops ignore this sighting altogether, which as you can imagine, it infuriated Jeremy Bamber! I guess that Jeremy is now banking upon the disclosure of PS Bews situation report, where upon immediately after the sighting that Bews requested that the firearms team be deployed to the incident!

 Cops know what their doing, they daren't admit that they saw anybody moving around at the parents bedroom window, but rest assured that they did!
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #136 on: March 12, 2018, 06:50:PM »
That's just it, officially neither Bews, not Myall make any mention in either their notebook entries, or their witness statements that anyone at all was seen at the parents bedroom window (top left window at the real front of the farmhouse)! The cops ignore this sighting altogether, which as you can imagine, it infuriated Jeremy Bamber! I guess that Jeremy is now banking upon the disclosure of PS Bews situation report, where upon immediately after the sighting that Bews requested that the firearms team be deployed to the incident!

 Cops know what their doing, they daren't admit that they saw anybody moving around at the parents bedroom window, but rest assured that they did!

The other problem, Bews and Myall had, was they never really understood which was the parents bedroom window at the front of the farmhouse, that was because neither of them entered the farmhouse at any stage and saw the bodies of victims in position - this was no coincidence because the occupants of CA07  were involved in confirming that two bodies were found in the kitchen upon entry to the premises, and only CV three bodies upstairs in the bedrooms by 8.10am...

Once you know this, you can see why neither Bews or Myall were invited into the farmhouse to witness how senior officers had distributed the bodies of victims differently!
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #137 on: March 12, 2018, 06:53:PM »
Let's get the facts right, with the occupants of CA07 relaying messages from the scene to the control room, there were two bodies downstairs from as early as 7.35am, and only a further three bodies upstairs by 8.10am...

Imagine the furore had Bews or Myall been invited into the farmhouse after 8.44am, and found there was only one body downstairs, the other bodies of the four victims being upstairs after this time?
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #138 on: March 12, 2018, 06:55:PM »
There's no doubt that Bews and Myall were kept from entering the farmhouse at any stage once the body count had changed from two downstairs (7.35am, onwards) and three bodies upstairs ( by 8.10am), into one body downstairs and four bodies upstairs (by 8.44am)!
« Last Edit: March 12, 2018, 06:56:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #139 on: March 12, 2018, 06:57:PM »
There's no doubt that Bews and Myall were kept from entering the farmhouse at any stage once the body count had changed from two downstairs (7.35am, onwards) and three bodies upstairs ( by 8.10am), into one body downstairs and four bodies upstairs (by 8.44am)!
Now, no matter which way you look at it, the body count downstairs versus upstairs altered after 8.10am...
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #140 on: March 12, 2018, 07:00:PM »
Now, no matter which way you look at it, the body count downstairs versus upstairs altered after 8.10am...

The sighting of the figure at the parents bedroom window (first floor top left at front of house), is inextricably linked to the alteration in the body count downstairs and upstairs, despite the sighting at the parents bedroom window occurred some three and a half hours prior to there being two bodies downstairs (7.35am) and only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am..
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #141 on: March 12, 2018, 07:16:PM »
Hi Mike
where is there any mention of a sighting in 'Parents bedroom"?

It was far right room 'Sheilla's bedroom" or were there two sightings, it would make sense if there were, more the better......

One document written by the police sais that all lights where on in the house. I dont believe that to be that case but in actual fact fact several lights where on and where shinning throught the door ways. So it appears all the lights were on.

This is important because you wont see a reflection of moonlight if the window is illuminated by lights from the inside. So the movement seen cannot be the moon like Bews claims.

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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #142 on: March 13, 2018, 07:31:AM »
One document written by the police sais that all lights where on in the house. I dont believe that to be that case but in actual fact fact several lights where on and where shinning throught the door ways. So it appears all the lights were on.

This is important because you wont see a reflection of moonlight if the window is illuminated by lights from the inside. So the movement seen cannot be the moon like Bews claims.

Except that the window that Bews is referring to, was Sheila Caffell's bedroom window (top right) at the front of the house, which had no light at all coming from it, meaning the bedroom door to her bedroom was closed! Light from the moon, could have cast shadows of branches, twigs, and leafs onto the outside of that window!

But, I agree that because the parents bedroom was back lit that you couldn't get any distortion or a reflection caused by the moonlight! In any event there was no trees close to the parents bedroom window (top left)..
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #143 on: March 13, 2018, 07:38:AM »
Except that the window that Bews is referring to, was Sheila Caffell's bedroom window (top right) at the front of the house, which had no light at all coming from it, meaning the bedroom door to her bedroom was closed! Light from the moon, could have cast shadows of branches, twigs, and leafs onto the outside of that window!

But, I agree that because the parents bedroom was back lit that you couldn't get any distortion or a reflection caused by the moonlight! In any event there was no trees close to the parents bedroom window (top left)..

Mike, was Sheila's bedroom door shut, or not?

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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #144 on: March 13, 2018, 09:00:AM »
Mike, was Sheila's bedroom door shut, or not?

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According to Bews, and Myall, the light was on above the front door! This is reference to the upper landing window on the first floor, the landing light directly outside the parents bedroom door and Sheila's bedroom door being switched on!

The parents bedroom was backlit (according to Jeremy Bambers account), consistent with the door to the parents bedroom being ajar and allowing the landing light to filter into the parents bedroom! Jeremy's account regarding the person he saw as being a silhouetted figure at the parents bedroom window, is consistent with such a person being described as a silhouetted figure because the parents bedroom (top left) was back lit by the landing light!

The window top right, however (Sheila's bedroom window, had no light at all eminating from it, apparently) her bedroom was in total darkness! This was the first floor window that Bews chose to refer the trick of light to!

The sighting of the silhouetted figure see at the parents bedroom window, therefore, was never mentioned at all during Jeremy Bambers trial! This sighting was in my view capable of undermining the prosecution's case at the trial, because it means that there was someone clearly alive inside the farmhouse who could not have already been killed by Jeremy! The shadowy figure can be narrowed down to one or other of the three adult victims, Sheila, June, or Neville!  Whichever one it was, there are consequences toward the safety of otherwise of the prosecution's case!

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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #145 on: March 13, 2018, 09:10:AM »
According to Bews, and Myall, the light was on above the front door! This is reference to the upper landing window on the first floor, the landing light directly outside the parents bedroom door and Sheila's bedroom door being switched on!

The parents bedroom was backlit (according to Jeremy Bambers account), consistent with the door to the parents bedroom being ajar and allowing the landing light to filter into the parents bedroom! Jeremy's account regarding the person he saw as being a silhouetted figure at the parents bedroom window, is consistent with such a person being described as a silhouetted figure because the parents bedroom (top left) was back lit by the landing light!

The window top right, however (Sheila's bedroom window, had no light at all eminating from it, apparently) her bedroom was in total darkness! This was the first floor window that Bews chose to refer the trick of light to!

The sighting of the silhouetted figure see at the parents bedroom window, therefore, was never mentioned at all during Jeremy Bambers trial! This sighting was in my view capable of undermining the prosecution's case at the trial, because it means that there was someone clearly alive inside the farmhouse who could not have already been killed by Jeremy! The shadowy figure can be narrowed down to one or other of the three adult victims, Sheila, June, or Neville!  Whichever one it was, there are consequences toward the safety of otherwise of the prosecution's case!
The bottom line, is that if the silhouetted figure seen at the parents bedroom window was Sheila Caffell, it means that Jeremy Bamber did not shoot his sister dead, or stage her death scene in possession of any rifle much later on!
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #146 on: March 13, 2018, 09:15:AM »
The bottom line, is that if the silhouetted figure seen at the parents bedroom window was Sheila Caffell, it means that Jeremy Bamber did not shoot his sister dead, or stage her death scene in possession of any rifle much later on!

If the silhouetted figure seen at the parents bedroom window was June Bamber, it means that Jeremy Bamber was not the shooter who fired two head shots into June Bambers head at a later time in the police operation. One of these two head shots was inflicted 'smack bang' between her eyes!! Her killer could only have been Neville Bamber, or as the case may be, have been Sheila Caffell!
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« Reply #147 on: March 13, 2018, 11:24:AM »
If the silhouetted figure who was seen at the parents bedroom window was Neville Bamber, then a part from the most obvious, i.e that Jeremy Bamber must have received a distress call from him telling Jeremy that Sheila had got the gun, etc, and that Neville himself 'had' phoned police at 3.26am to inform them that 'my daughter has gone berserk', it must also be the case that at least one of the other adults present inside the farmhouse that night must also have still been alive! This is because Neville Bamber did not commit suicide, he was shot 8 times, and murdered by another person who albeit perhaps only temporarily survived his death!
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« Reply #148 on: March 13, 2018, 11:27:AM »
Such was the significance of the sighting of the silhouetted figure seen at the parents bedroom window, it beggars belief that the court which tried the case never got to hear anything at all about it!
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #149 on: March 13, 2018, 11:28:AM »
It was not the responsibility of Jeremy Bamber to make sure that this evidence was raised during his trial!
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