Effects of Haloperidol

[susan]

That must be it. Sheila was from another planet and didn't suffer from the multiple and major side effects of Halperidol that everyone else suffers from. 

If she's not from another planet, have you got a source that people are the 'exception to the rule'. Basically beating science & Haloperidol ?

Adam I think it is you that is from another planet 

[Caroline]

It is true Haldol can cause awful side effects as shown in videos but not everyone suffers from all or any of these side effects.

Sheila may have suffered from some physical side effects particularly when she was on a really high dose but I would question that she was very impaired by such side effects and wasn't taking any drugs to counteract such side effects at the time of her death. I am sure Sheila would have taken such drugs if they were necessary.

She seems to have managed to live a relatively physically normal life.  None of her friends who have  commented or given statements mentioned her suffering from such symptoms which is significant imo.
Any comments have tended to be about her emotional and mental health difficulties.

We hear much about her manicured nails, make up she wore and smoking roll ups all of which require steady hands. 

I don't believe Sheila murdered her family however I don't think there's any proof that Sheila was physically incapacitated by Haldol.

I have recently had the first hand of the affects of Haldol and the person in question was taking a really small dose and couldn't function anywhere near normality. All the things that Sheila usually did (smoking roll ups etc.) - we don't know that she was doing those things in the months before her death. There is a statement from a friend of her on the forum, that states Sheila looked a mess and her make-up was all over the place. Of course not everyone will experience the same side  effects but the drug is in essence a sedative and as her doctor said, he believed she was over sedated.

[Adam]

CAL said Sheila's best friend said Sheila needed help getting up from sofa's. A week before the massacre.  AE said Sheila found it difficult putting sugar in coffee.

I have never seen a source that Sheila was smoking roll ups or varnishing her nails.

Everyone agrees she was on Haloperidol when at WHF. Her dosage had been reduced probably because she had previously literally been unable to move. Now she could move very slowly and with great difficulty.

The 2002 appeal also said she was under sedation, so easy prey for Bamber.

The suggestion that a recoverying anorexic on haloperidol committed the massacre is again closed.

[Roch]

CAL said Sheila's best friend said Sheila needed help getting up from sofa's. A week before the massacre.  AE said Sheila found it difficult putting sugar in coffee.

I have never seen a source that Sheila was smoking roll ups or varnishing her nails.

Everyone agrees she was on Haloperidol when at WHF. Her dosage had been reduced probably because she had previously literally been unable to move. Now she could move very slowly and with great difficulty.

The 2002 appeal also said she was under sedation, so easy prey for Bamber.

The suggestion that a recoverying anorexic on haloperidol committed the massacre is again closed.

Yet none of this relevant - on account of the fact that she did actually commit the killings. 

These kinds of Haloperidol 'zombie' scenarios are silly.  It doesn't really matter whether she was rolling expert rolly's in perfectly self-manicured nails, while simultaneously spilling spoonfuls of sugar, while being hoisted out of armchairs by friends etc.   

[nugnug]

This has been discused a few times before.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,869.15.html

[nugnug]

here we are adam im suprised you missed this. http://psychrights.org/research/Digest/NLPs/RWhitakerAffidavit/Schulte.PDF

[lookout]

CAL said Sheila's best friend said Sheila needed help getting up from sofa's. A week before the massacre.  AE said Sheila found it difficult putting sugar in coffee.

I have never seen a source that Sheila was smoking roll ups or varnishing her nails.

Everyone agrees she was on Haloperidol when at WHF. Her dosage had been reduced probably because she had previously literally been unable to move. Now she could move very slowly and with great difficulty.

The 2002 appeal also said she was under sedation, so easy prey for Bamber.

The suggestion that a recoverying anorexic on haloperidol committed the massacre is again closed.

I notice that you didn't add that a friend of Sheila's also found her frightening because of her fixed stares,and that the friend had mentioned that her time in hospital hadn't appeared to have been an improvement. This was spoken by Tara,the friend,who'd also had an encounter with June when June had produced a prayer book which she handed to Tara. What was that all about ?

[nugnug]

adam had you not seen the previos thread before.

[Adam]

adam had you not seen the previos thread before.

Neither thread has got anything to do with the 30+ syptoms which meant Sheila couldn't put sugar in coffee or get out of sofa's without help. Are you aware that Nevill was 6.4 and around 15 stone ?

Being 'zonked out' and not able to control her body meant Bamber knew she wouldn't wake while he went after the other adults. Sheila would then be easy to move a few feet.

This thread has been put into the library as the 41st thread link. Not sure what more incriminating evidence you need.

[Patti]

Wow hello Patti so nice to see you on the forum again.  Please stay the forum needs you X

Hello you. Might be here a bit more....lets see. 

[Patti]

CAL said Sheila's best friend said Sheila needed help getting up from sofa's. A week before the massacre.  AE said Sheila found it difficult putting sugar in coffee.

I have never seen a source that Sheila was smoking roll ups or varnishing her nails.

Everyone agrees she was on Haloperidol when at WHF. Her dosage had been reduced probably because she had previously literally been unable to move. Now she could move very slowly and with great difficulty.

The 2002 appeal also said she was under sedation, so easy prey for Bamber.

The suggestion that a recoverying anorexic on haloperidol committed the massacre is again closed.

Hi Adam

If you look back and study Collin's book he does refer to Sheila to have having had problems with movements, but on the day he takes her to her parents home he never mentions that Sheila has a problem. He states she was quiet. The witnesses that saw Sheila that week never mention any strange movements either.

The fact that she could roll cigarettes might suggest that she had no problems at all, for one could not roll a cigarette at all.

It was also said that Sheila helped with a buffet prior to the murders. If she had problems, then how could she co-ordinate to roll cigarettes and makes help with a buffet. All the said statements or hearsay that Sheila could not co-ordinate properly were not recalled during the few weeks before the murders. In fact those that did state that Sheila had problems with co-ordination do state the dates on which this occurred.

It has also been said that when Shelia did have problems she was given a drug to counteract it. Although on saying that it is not clear if she actually took that medication, nor is it clear that such a drug was in her system in a toxicology report in 1985/6

[maggie]

Hi Adam

If you look back and study Collin's book he does refer to Sheila to have having had problems with movements, but on the day he takes her to her parents home he never mentions that Sheila has a problem. He states she was quiet. The witnesses that saw Sheila that week never mention any strange movements either.

The fact that she could roll cigarettes might suggest that she had no problems at all, for one could not roll a cigarette at all.

It was also said that Sheila helped with a buffet prior to the murders. If she had problems, then how could she co-ordinate to roll cigarettes and makes help with a buffet. All the said statements or hearsay that Sheila could not co-ordinate properly were not recalled during the few weeks before the murders. In fact those that did state that Sheila had problems with co-ordination do state the dates on which this occurred.

It has also been said that when Shelia did have problems she was given a drug to counteract it. Although on saying that it is not clear if she actually took that medication, nor is it clear that such a drug was in her system in a toxicology report in 1985/6

Hi Patti, I agree the argument that Sheila was physically impaired at the time of the murders is not clear.  Her medical history shows that she was taking Stelazine after diagnosis which must have been replaced by Haloperidol at some point, probably because Stelazine has severe physical effects such as lack of coordination, dyskinesia etc.  Although all anti psychotic can cause physical symptoms its likely that the change in Sheila's meds had improved her physical condition and dealt with her lack of coordination, muscle spasms etc.
The most common side effects of Haloperidol seem to suggest she may have been suffering from over sedation, exhaustion etc.  We do know June was worried about Sheila's condition when she spoke to Pamela hours before they all died therefore it appears there was something noticeably wrong with Sheila at that time, however no mention of physical difficulties at that time.
It is well documented that Sheila was very conscious of her appearance and the physical side effects such as grimacing etc. of dyskinesia would have been very distressing for her. I'm sure she would have taken any drugs prescribed to counteract such symptoms but there is no evidence she was taking such drugs
Tardive dyskinesia means slow onset dyskinesia.

[maggie]

CAL said Sheila's best friend said Sheila needed help getting up from sofa's. A week before the massacre.  AE said Sheila found it difficult putting sugar in coffee.

I have never seen a source that Sheila was smoking roll ups or varnishing her nails.

Everyone agrees she was on Haloperidol when at WHF. Her dosage had been reduced probably because she had previously literally been unable to move. Now she could move very slowly and with great difficulty.

The 2002 appeal also said she was under sedation, so easy prey for Bamber.

The suggestion that a recoverying anorexic on haloperidol committed the massacre is again closed.

Hi Adam, it's true we have no proof Sheila put varnish on her own nails, it's possible someone did it for her but we know she had varnished finger and toe nails from photos after she died.
It's well documented that appearance was very important to Sheila and that she wore makeup and generally presented as well groomed.
In her statement Helen Grimster tells us she was rolling and smoking rollups as she spoke with her on 30 March 1985. She made no comment at all of Sheila having any physical difficulty while doing this or anything else. 
I believe JB is probably guilty but at the same time I don't believe there is any proof that Sheila was suffering from dyskinesia, certainly not anywhere near the extent you are claiming.

[Adam]

I'm not claiming anything. Just posted 4 Youtube videos which posts 30+  effects of Haloperidol. All of which would make it impossible for Sheila to have committed the massacre.

Everyone agrees that Sheila was on this medication on the night of the massacre. There is no possibility she would not be experiencing a few of the 30+ effects.

[Adam]

Hi Adam

If you look back and study Collin's book he does refer to Sheila to have having had problems with movements, but on the day he takes her to her parents home he never mentions that Sheila has a problem. He states she was quiet. The witnesses that saw Sheila that week never mention any strange movements either.

The fact that she could roll cigarettes might suggest that she had no problems at all, for one could not roll a cigarette at all.

It was also said that Sheila helped with a buffet prior to the murders. If she had problems, then how could she co-ordinate to roll cigarettes and makes help with a buffet. All the said statements or hearsay that Sheila could not co-ordinate properly were not recalled during the few weeks before the murders. In fact those that did state that Sheila had problems with co-ordination do state the dates on which this occurred.

It has also been said that when Shelia did have problems she was given a drug to counteract it. Although on saying that it is not clear if she actually took that medication, nor is it clear that such a drug was in her system in a toxicology report in 1985/6

That is wrong. Sheila's best friend said Sheila could not get off sofa's without assistance. A week before the murder.

Have you got a source that Sheila helped with a buffet ?  Prior to the murders. Is that days, weeks or years beforehand. Putting plates on tables & committing a brutal massacre are very different.