Effects of Haloperidol

[maggie]

I'm not claiming anything. Just posted 4 Youtube videos which posts 30+  effects of Haloperidol. All of which would make it impossible for Sheila to have committed the massacre.

Everyone agrees that Sheila was on this medication on the night of the massacre. There is no possibility she would not be experiencing a few of the 30+ effects.

I did not say Sheila murdered anyone, I did say JB probably did.

I have not said she wasn't suffering any effects of Haloperidol, of course she must have been, it is a nasty drug with horrendous side effects.

Many side effects are not physical and from June's conversation with Pamela hours before they all died, which was reported in Pamela's statement, it is apparent June was worried about Sheila in some way.

I do question the fact Sheila was particularly physically impaired in August 1985 because there isn't any proof of this.

[maggie]

That is wrong. Sheila's best friend said Sheila could not get off sofa's without assistance. A week before the murder.

Have you got a source that Sheila helped with a buffet ?  Prior to the murders. Is that days, weeks or years beforehand. Putting plates on tables & committing a brutal massacre are very different.

Think you'll find no one has disputed Sheila may have been weak, exhausted etc.
Can't answer for Patti but I am just questioning your stAtement that she was so disabled she could hardly move.
She was seen jumping and laughing with the boys, she walked down to the fields with the boys to speak with Jeremy the day before the murders. She went shopping with June but there was no mention in statements of her walking or movement being impaired.
None of this means she killed anyone.

[Adam]

http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/update/2015-08-06/the-bamber-killings-thirty-years-on-part-1/

Here is the video that says Sheila couldn't get up from sofa's without help. A week before the massacre. Source CAL, who interviewed Sheila's best friend.

Sheila's psychiatrist also said the Haloperidol Sheila was taking was 'drug enduced parkinism'.

CAL also says in the video Sheila was 'too frail' to have committed the murders. CAL would know as had been investigating the case for a long time prior to writing a book.

[maggie]

http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/update/2015-08-06/the-bamber-killings-thirty-years-on-part-1/

Here is the video that says Sheila couldn't get up from sofa's without help. A week before the massacre. Source CAL, who interviewed Sheila's best friend.

Sheila's psychiatrist also said the Haloperidol Sheila was taking was 'drug enduced parkinism'.

CAL also says on the video Sheila was 'too frail' to have committed the murders. CAL would know as had been investigating the case for a long time prior to writing a book.

I have not said she did commit the murders, I don't believe she did. 

I do not say she wasn't affected by Haloperidol, I get it Adam! 

It is my opinion there is no proof she was physically affected by Haloperidol anywhere near the extent you claim. 

[susan]

I have not said she did commit the murders, I don't believe she did. 

I do not say she wasn't affected by Haloperidol, I get it Adam! 

It is my opinion there is no proof she was physically affected by Haloperidol anywhere near the extent you claim.

Hi Maggie

I know the two shots received by Sheila has made you believe she was not capable of inflicting them we must ask Roch when he is on his explanation for the two shots and Sheila murdering her family.

[maggie]

Hi Maggie

I know the two shots received by Sheila has made you believe she was not capable of inflicting them we must ask Roch when he is on his explanation for the two shots and Sheila murdering her family.

Hi Suse, that is one reason but there are other reasons as well.  Some things just don't ring true to me.

I'm not adamant that he's guilty and do have a small element of doubt, however I'm always open to hearing other people's opinions.

I have always had respect for Roch and his opinions but even if Sheila could have shot herself twice somehow, in spite of the fact she would have been totally shocked and disorientated at the very least, it would only question a small part of my belief that JB killed them.

[Caroline]

Think you'll find no one has disputed Sheila may have been weak, exhausted etc.
Can't answer for Patti but I am just questioning your stAtement that she was so disabled she could hardly move.
She was seen jumping and laughing with the boys, she walked down to the fields with the boys to speak with Jeremy the day before the murders. She went shopping with June but there was no mention in statements of her walking or movement being impaired.
None of this means she killed anyone.

Hi Maggie, I think it's written in CALs book that one of the shop keepers said she looked odd, far away and her movements were abnormal. Do we have anything official on the 'jumping and laughing' - I've never seen anything?

[maggie]

Hi Maggie, I think it's written in CALs book that one of the shop keepers said she looked odd, far away and her movements were abnormal. Do we have anything official on the 'jumping and laughing' - I've never seen anything?

I'm not sure about the 'jumping and laughing' I had it in my head that it was a quote from Barbara Wilson but didn't have time to check this morning or particularly now. I agree it's difficult to remember sometimes if these quotes come from books or documents such as statements.

I'm sure she did look far away, any anti psychotic drug is horrendous with many side effects, there is no doubt about that and I would never deny it.  Sheila may have been moving stiffly from the Haloperidol, it certainly has an effect on the muscles. 

My argument is that there is no proof that Sheila was anything like as physically handicapped as some like to make out and we should stick to the facts as we know them.  I find sweeping statements that interpret 'possible side effects' as fact that she suffered from them all as misleading.  Imo it doesn't detract from my belief that she wasn't the murderer.

I will see if I can find any evidence of the jumping/skipping and laughing'.

[susan]

Hi Suse, that is one reason but there are other reasons as well.  Some things just don't ring true to me.

I'm not adamant that he's guilty and do have a small element of doubt, however I'm always open to hearing other people's opinions.

I have always had respect for Roch and his opinions but even if Sheila could have shot herself twice somehow, in spite of the fact she would have been totally shocked and disorientated at the very least, it would only question a small part of my belief that JB killed them.

Hi Maggie

I honestly don't know anything about the shots to Sheila's neck I am  not clever enough to work out the angle etc but I have niggling thoughts as to whether JB is guilty and I too have tremendous respect for Roch and he seems to be adamant that Sheila did shoot her family then herself so I am left with doubts I am being totally honest and I am confused

[Adam]

Hi Maggie

I honestly don't know anything about the shots to Sheila's neck I am  not clever enough to work out the angle etc but I have niggling thoughts as to whether JB is guilty and I too have tremendous respect for Roch and he seems to be adamant that Sheila did shoot her family then herself so I am left with doubts I am being totally honest and I am confused

Have you not read the thread ? 

Sheila couldn't put sugar in coffee or get off sofa's without help. Just before the massacre. Sources posted on this thread.

She was on a high dosage of Haloperidol. Which would have reduced her bodily functions by up to 80%. Videos posted on this thread.

The suggestion that Sheila carried out the massacre has been closed.

Sheila being shot twice doesn't help supporters but is a minor issue in the big scheme of things.

[susan]

Have you not read the thread ? 

Sheila couldn't put sugar in coffee or get off sofa's without help. Just before the massacre. Sources posted on this thread.

She was on a high dosage of Haloperidol. Which would have reduced her bodily functions by up to 80%. Videos posted on this thread.

The suggestion that Sheila carried out the massacre has been closed.

Sheila being shot twice doesn't help supporters but is a minor issue in the big scheme of things.

Whoops Adam you know I never read threads I am too lazy and get you to give me all the details I am sorry I did not realise the discussion that Sheila may have committed the murders has been closed I just don't keep up do I.

[Adam]

Whoops Adam you know I never read threads I am too lazy and get you to give me all the details I am sorry I did not realise the discussion that Sheila may have committed the murders has been closed I just don't keep up do I.

This thread has been added to my forensic evidence library. Which has 41 threads showing Bamber is guilty. It's there for everyone. You may have missed it as was not posting.

[susan]

This thread has been added to my forensic evidence library. Which has 41 threads showing Bamber is guilty. It's there for everyone.

Adam you have convinced me I am wrong again I am off to your Forensic library and I will be back thinking he is guilty when I have read 41 threads

[Adam]

Adam you have convinced me I am wrong again I am off to your Forensic library and I will be back thinking he is guilty when I have read 41 threads

I'm not sure how long my convincing success will last. Roch could re surface and say 'Sheila did it' at any time.

[Caroline]

I'm not sure about the 'jumping and laughing' I had it in my head that it was a quote from Barbara Wilson but didn't have time to check this morning or particularly now. I agree it's difficult to remember sometimes if these quotes come from books or documents such as statements.

I'm sure she did look far away, any anti psychotic drug is horrendous with many side effects, there is no doubt about that and I would never deny it.  Sheila may have been moving stiffly from the Haloperidol, it certainly has an effect on the muscles. 

My argument is that there is no proof that Sheila was anything like as physically handicapped as some like to make out and we should stick to the facts as we know them.  I find sweeping statements that interpret 'possible side effects' as fact that she suffered from them all as misleading.  Imo it doesn't detract from my belief that she wasn't the murderer.

I will see if I can find any evidence of the jumping/skipping and laughing'.

I think the quote about the skipping up the lane might have just come from here  - I could be wrong though.