In 1989, Jeremy hadn't got a clue about the timings of any of these phone calls. If the truth be known he didn't know these times of these calls, I should know because it was me who had to set about pinpointing the times of various calls based upon information recorded in different documents in his case file. Documents which Jeremy had not got or for that matter ever seen. I believe that Jeremy just guessed the time when he said this, that and the other. There was no reason for Jeremy to have to remember the time of his dad's call, all that mattered was that Jeremy tried to respond to his dad once the line went dead, and he did that first of all by trying to ring his dad back, but he got a constant engaged tone. Jeremy told me he tried to ring his dad back a couple of times, but that on each occasion he got an engaged tone. This interested me, chiefly because during his trial the prosecution relied upon the premise, (a) that if the line had gone dead, as claimed by Jeremy, he would not have been able to call his father back because the line would have remained open, and (b) he wouldn't have been able to make the call to his then girlfriend Julie Mugford, because the line between the farmhouse and his cottage would have remained inextricably linked together. However, what I was able to discover was that Ralphs call to Jeremy was made in the capacity of 'the caller', and Jeremy, 'the recipient'. All that would be required, would be for the caller to depress the cradle of the phone, and the line between Ralph and the recipient (Jeremy) would be cancelled, thus enabling Ralph to make another call, this time to the police (3.26am). Once this happened, Jeremy was free to call back to the farmhouse (as the caller), but he kept getting an engaged tone. This can only have been because his dad was speaking to the police. Jeremy didn't have a clue about the timings of calls, here, there, and everywhere, and neither did his counsel - this was because Essex police withheld vital documentation from the defence which would have enabled the defence to present a constructive argument and providing some truth to what Jeremy has said happenned all along. He did receive a very brief telephone call from his dad, which got cut short, and he did try to reestablish contact by trying to phone his dad back, but as he said, he kept getting an engaged tone. This was because at the time Jeremy was trying to reach his father, his father was already contacting the police himself. You dont really need to know timings of calls, but it helps if you know the exact sequence these calls were made in. I think the prosecutions claim that Jeremy wouldn't be able to make a call, either back to his dad, or to Julie Mugford, or to the police, has been exposed as a mistruth. He could have, and he did!!!