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[Adam]

Thought it was just the 1984 minor cheque book fraud.

Bamber admitted the caravan break in was his idea. To highlight security problems. Although it is likely he did it out of greed. Admitting himself he spent the money due to greed. Julie was probably dragged along and told to stand outside.

It seems the ladies on here really don't like Julie. Caroline calling her a cow yesterday and saying she was as greedy as Bamber. April hasn't liked her since seeing Julie's and MM's court outfits.

Miller called her an honest and nice person. But he would, wouldn't he.

[Jane]

Her wedding was reported and news travels fast. They would have known who she was - they do checks when emigrating and when taking a job as a teacher.

Well, ya know what they say. Better to be born lucky than rich. She sure as hell seems to have had luck aplenty.

[maggie]

Thought it was just the 1984 minor cheque book fraud.

Bamber admitted the caravan break in was his idea. To highlight security problems. Although it is likely he did it out of greed. Admitting himself he spent the money due to greed. Julie was probably dragged along and told to stand outside.

It seems the ladies on here really don't like Julie. Caroline calling her a cow yesterday and saying she was as greedy as Bamber. April hasn't liked her since seeing Julie's and MM's court outfits.

Miller called her an honest and nice person. But he would, wouldn't he.

Poor little Julie so meek and mild she committed cheque fraud in the busiest and most famous shopping street in Britain.  She was an accomplice in stealing money from the caravan park and enjoyed the spoils with her boyfriend, I wonder if they discussed him killing his family while they ate their meal.  You can protest al you like Adam and try to paint her as some kind of saint but in those days at least she was no good and was very lucky to get away with it all, plus £25,000.

[Adam]

It is surprising that Julie turned down June's offer of a house. I wouldn't !

[susan]

Poor little Julie so meek and mild she committed cheque fraud in the busiest and most famous shopping street in Britain.  She was an accomplice in stealing money from the caravan park and enjoyed the spoils with her boyfriend, I wonder if they discussed him killing his family while they ate their meal.  You can protest al you like Adam and try to paint her as some kind of saint but in those days at least she was no good and was very lucky to get away with it all, plus £25,000.

Maggie well said Julie was not meek and mild she was a hard case from what I have gathered on here.

[Jane]

It is surprising that Julie turned down June's offer of a house. I wouldn't !

As you repeatedly say, she was young. Why would she want the responsibility of a flat -on her own- miles away from Jeremy when she already had living accommodation -with friends- which was someone else's responsibility. Besides which, as Jeremy's wife -which she must have been hankering for or she wouldn't have accepted his proposal- any property would be his responsibility. I very much doubt that your agenda would have been the same as Julie's.

[Adam]

As you repeatedly say, she was young. Why would she want the responsibility of a flat -on her own- miles away from Jeremy when she already had living accommodation -with friends- which was someone else's responsibility. Besides which, as Jeremy's wife -which she must have been hankering for or she wouldn't have accepted his proposal- any property would be his responsibility. I very much doubt that your agenda would have been the same as Julie's.

That's it. She turned down a house which could be worth hundreds of thousands of pounds.

Why ? Because her sole aim was to marry a farm labourer.

Seems naive to me. But Maggie said she was not naive.

[Jane]

That's it. She turned down a house which could be worth hundreds of thousands of pounds.

Why ? Because her sole aim was to marry a farm labourer.

Seems naive to me. But Maggie said she was not naive.

First of all, unless you know what it feels like to be a 20 year old female with her eye on marriage to a wealthy farmer's on, you're not ever going to have an understanding of her.

At 20 years old she'd have had no concept of "hundreds of thousands of pounds" unless they were amounts she'd been used to seeing her family deal in...................they weren't on that rung of the ladder.

Her aim wasn't to marry a farm labourer. It was to marry the farmer's heir and you may rest assured that by the way Jeremy spoke and presented himself she'd have had no doubts about his status.

If Julie had been naive, she'd have dated a fellow student, NOT someone who could wine and dine her and whisk her off to exotic places. Naive? Possibly in your bed. NOT, I imagine, in Jeremy's.

[maggie]

First of all, unless you know what it feels like to be a 20 year old female with her eye on marriage to a wealthy farmer's on, you're not ever going to have an understanding of her.

At 20 years old she'd have had no concept of "hundreds of thousands of pounds" unless they were amounts she'd been used to seeing her family deal in...................they weren't on that rung of the ladder.

Her aim wasn't to marry a farm labourer. It was to marry the farmer's heir and you may rest assured that by the way Jeremy spoke and presented himself she'd have had no doubts about his status.

If Julie had been naive, she'd have dated a fellow student, NOT someone who could wine and dine her and whisk her off to exotic places. Naive? Possibly in your bed. NOT, I imagine, in Jeremy's.

For love or money? I would guess for love of money .....  she soon changed her story when he wasn't available anymore

[Caroline]

For love or money? I would guess for love of money .....  she soon changed her story when he wasn't available anymore

the bounced cheque was probably the last straw! 

[maggie]

the bounced cheque was probably the last straw! 

That did it!!

[Adam]

First of all, unless you know what it feels like to be a 20 year old female with her eye on marriage to a wealthy farmer's on, you're not ever going to have an understanding of her.

At 20 years old she'd have had no concept of "hundreds of thousands of pounds" unless they were amounts she'd been used to seeing her family deal in...................they weren't on that rung of the ladder.

Her aim wasn't to marry a farm labourer. It was to marry the farmer's heir and you may rest assured that by the way Jeremy spoke and presented himself she'd have had no doubts about his status.

If Julie had been naive, she'd have dated a fellow student, NOT someone who could wine and dine her and whisk her off to exotic places. Naive? Possibly in your bed. NOT, I imagine, in Jeremy's.

Yes, a farmers heir. Well along with Sheila and the twins. In 20 years. Unless disinherited. Which was a big possibility even MM knew about.

Yes, at 19/20 she would have an eye on marriage. Don't want to be left on the shelf now. Bamber's a real catch and she couldn't possibly do better.

No concept of hundreds of thousands of pounds ? She was doing her second degree. Maggie said she was not naive.

No doubts about his status ? Yes Jeremy did moan a lot about his raw deal having to sit on a tractor.

What exotic places did Bamber take her to ? Amsterdam after the massacre. 

She would have maybe dated a fellow student. But met Jeremy at 'Sloppy Joe's'. She must have been impressed with his status and dress then. Waiters with badges must be a turn on.

[Jane]

Yes, a farmers heir. In 20 years.

Yes, at 20 she would have an eye on marriage. Don't want to be left on the shelf now.

No concept of hundreds of thousands of pounds ? She was doing her second degree.

No doubts about his status ? Yes Jeremy did moan a lot about his raw deal having to sit on a tractor.

What exotic places did Bamber take her to ? Amsterdam after the massacre. 

She would have maybe dated a fellow student. But met Jeremy at 'Sloppy Joe's'. She must have been impressed with his status and dress then.

Adam, sneer as much as you like -for that's exactly what you seem to do rather well- but the key word and the point YOU'RE missing but Julie certainly would not have, is Jeremy's POTENTIAL.

I'll guarantee she didn't envisage a long term future in a two up two down cottage. Farmers get to live in rather larger farm houses and become respected members of a community.

WHAT has doing a Masters got to do with understanding finance? She was training to be a teach, not an accountant.

Did you not say they stayed in a 5* hotel in Amsterdam? Not bad going for a 20 year old, eh?

I've yet to know any man whose chat up line is pleading poverty. The aim is to impress. NOT to put off.

She maybe COULD have dated a fellow student, but I suspect she was aspiring much higher. Jeremy's background and education, despite him roughing it a bit by "helping out" -I doubt he'd have called it work- in a friend's wine bar, would have set him well above any fellow students...................and then there was that POTENTIAL.   

[Adam]

Adam, sneer as much as you like -for that's exactly what you seem to do rather well- but the key word and the point YOU'RE missing but Julie certainly would not have, is Jeremy's POTENTIAL.

I'll guarantee she didn't envisage a long term future in a two up two down cottage. Farmers get to live in rather larger farm houses and become respected members of a community.

WHAT has doing a Masters got to do with understanding finance? She was training to be a teach, not an accountant.

Did you not say they stayed in a 5* hotel in Amsterdam? Not bad going for a 20 year old, eh?

I've yet to know any man whose chat up line is pleading poverty. The aim is to impress. NOT to put off.

She maybe COULD have dated a fellow student, but I suspect she was aspiring much higher. Jeremy's background and education, despite him roughing it a bit by "helping out" -I doubt he'd have called it work- in a friend's wine bar, would have set him well above any fellow students...................and then there was that POTENTIAL.

So Julie met Bamber at Sloppy Joe's and started seeing him for his potential ? Taking a big leap of faith there. Hoping Bamber stays with her for the next 20 years. And that he inherits a decent amount. But being a teacher simply isn't enough. She was just taking degrees to pass the time until becoming the 'Lady of the manor'.

Yes perhaps living in a big farm house in 20 years is better than living in her Lewisham digs. (Although it's doubtful that will still be the case  for her in 20 years). And must be better than being a teacher and having degrees.

Every adult knows what hundreds of thousands of pounds means.

Yes she did stay in a deluxe hotels for a month. After the massacre. Not sure about the 18 months beforehand. But Julie just had to sit tight and maybe in 20 years...

Bamber's education ? He did poorly. Although he could impress her by mentioning Gresham's. That always gets the girls going. He would have tried to impress her. It's what men attempt to do. But he soon started moaning about his entire family and situation.

[Jane]

So Julie met Bamber at Sloppy Joe's and started seeing him for his potential ? Taking a big leap of faith there. Hoping Bamber stays with her for the next 20 years. And that he inherits a decent amount. But being a teacher simply isn't enough. She was just taking degrees to pass the time until becoming the 'Lady of the manor'.

Yes perhaps living in a big farm house in 20 years is better than living in her Lewisham digs. And must be better than being a teacher and having degrees.

Every adult knows what hundreds of thousands of pounds means.

Yes she did stay in a deluxe hotels for a month. After the massacre. Not sure about the 18 months beforehand. But Julie just had to sit tight and maybe in 20 years...

Bamber's education ? He did poorly. Although he could impress her by mentioning Gresham's. That always gets the girls going. He would have tried to impress her. It's what men attempt to do. But he soon started moaning about his entire family and situation.

What 20 year old is going to imagine the man of her dreams isn't going to stay with her. There's no doubt that he was out to impress. On their first date -FIRST DATE!!!- he introduced her to his parents. That's big time serious. Men don't usually introduce girls to their parents unless they have something more than bed in mind. So she saw what Jeremy, as the heir, was likely to inherit and I guess she wanted to be part of it. What's with your concern regarding her doing degrees. Plenty do them with no intention of using them to get careers. To some it's a hobby.

Unlikely, had Jeremy taken over from his father, that they'd have stayed in the cottage.

I think that what she saw in the way of house, properties, land and social standing would have meant more to Julie than money alone.

Jeremy may have done poorly at Gresham's but the point is, he WENT to Gresham's.

You do a hell of a lot of "Yeh, but's" when it comes to Julie's relationship with Jeremy but she FANCIED him, Adam, and I guess she thought they were in it for the long haul. Like the girl proudly told the world from the pages of NOTW "He taught me sex like I'd never known"