Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all

[scipio_usmc]

what wer the relatives hoping to find when they looked in the cupboard in the first place

Boutflour was putting something away inside of the closet when he found the items.  The family was cleaning the place up so going through everything.  Cock was going through everything of value and leaving the rest for the family to take care of.  Some of the Jewelry wasn't June's it belonged to Granny so that stuff was not taken by Cock.  He didn't care about the gun items either.

[nugnug]

so he wasnt looking for ethere but he managed to find one wich makes it all the more odd the police dident.

[maggie]

Boutflour was putting something away inside of the closet when he found the items.  The family was cleaning the place up so going through everything.  Cock was going through everything of value and leaving the rest for the family to take care of.  Some of the Jewelry wasn't June's it belonged to Granny so that stuff was not taken by Cock.  He didn't care about the gun item's either.

Boutflour says in his statement he was checking all the firearms which is why he went into the gun cupboard and that is when he found the moderator in the cardboard box.

[scipio_usmc]

so he wasnt looking for ethere but he managed to find one wich makes it all the more odd the police dident.

Not odd at all since he decided to go through the whole closet and look at everything whereas police didn't.

[Jane]

so he wasnt looking for ethere but he managed to find one wich makes it all the more odd the police dident.

Do you think the police should have turned out the contents of every box they found, Nugs? Why would they have been looking for ANYTHING when they believed it was murder/suicide. The rellies had a different mind set.

[lookout]

So what it amounts to is this? EVERY expert in their field, YEARS of experience between them, regarding Sheila's mental health, is wrong. Lookout, who did some psych nursing as part of her ongoing training, is right?

Haven't you personally met with any " mistaken diagnosis " at all ? If not then you can't possibly understand how doctors can get things wrong,even with mental illnesses.
Sheila could quite possibly have been wrongly diagnosed and with that comes the wrong treatment to treat something that wasn't there in the first place.
The way that Sheila had smoked,latterly,even ordinary cigarettes would have reduced the effectiveness of the Haldol,let alone with cannabis as well,and with other prescription drugs not being in her body at her time of death,it would have appeared that for at least 72 hours,she hadn't taken any medication,deeming her as being culpable for what happened as her original symptoms would have returned with a vengeance.

[nugnug]

Do you think the police should have turned out the contents of every box they found, Nugs? Why would they have been looking for ANYTHING when they believed it was murder/suicide. The rellies had a different mind set.

well if we belive the relatives just stumbled upon it without looking for it shouldent the police have managed to.

[lookout]

well if we belive the relatives just stumbled upon it without looking for it shouldent the police have managed to.

I would say so,nugs. It's a load of hooey. I don't remember it being tested for fingerprints ?

[Jane]

Haven't you personally met with any " mistaken diagnosis " at all ? If not then you can't possibly understand how doctors can get things wrong,even with mental illnesses.
Sheila could quite possibly have been wrongly diagnosed and with that comes the wrong treatment to treat something that wasn't there in the first place.
The way that Sheila had smoked,latterly,even ordinary cigarettes would have reduced the effectiveness of the Haldol,let alone with cannabis as well,and with other prescription drugs not being in her body at her time of death,it would have appeared that for at least 72 hours,she hadn't taken any medication,deeming her as being culpable for what happened as her original symptoms would have returned with a vengeance.

Lookout, the key word here is "COULD" which can also be applied to almost every person who has ever been convicted. There is no proof of any of what you say -for starters, had there been the slightest chance of her doing violence she wouldn't have been released- nor have I heard your particular claims made by others. However, even allowing for your claims to be valid, it doesn't prove that Sheila was the killer.

[lookout]

Lookout, the key word here is "COULD" which can also be applied to almost every person who has ever been convicted. There is no proof of any of what you say -for starters, had there been the slightest chance of her doing violence she wouldn't have been released- nor have I heard your particular claims made by others. However, even allowing for your claims to be valid, it doesn't prove that Sheila was the killer.

Where's the evidence that Jeremy was the killer-------hearsay and suspicions aside.

[Jane]

Where's the evidence that Jeremy was the killer-------hearsay and suspicions aside.

I imagine that Jeremy himself provided that evidence by the way he behaved. Say what you like about people trying to frame him -and I DO believe that some may have had an agenda- Jeremy's own behaviour assisted them every step of the way. Let's just say he didn't go out of his way to make it difficult for then to do.

[lookout]

I imagine that Jeremy himself provided that evidence by the way he behaved. Say what you like about people trying to frame him -and I DO believe that some may have had an agenda- Jeremy's own behaviour assisted them every step of the way. Let's just say he didn't go out of his way to make it difficult for then to do.

What's behaviour got to do with anything ? EP didn't go out of their way either,to focus anywhere else,nor did they bother with the N&J debacle which BW had reported as they were fixated on scoring points, and or promotions for securing their longed-for conviction after such bad press.

[Jane]

What's behaviour got to do with anything ? EP didn't go out of their way either,to focus anywhere else,nor did they bother with the N&J debacle which BW had reported as they were fixated on scoring points, and or promotions for securing their longed-for conviction after such bad press.

Lookout, where else COULD they focus? According to Jeremy, a "PANICKED" Neville had rung him around 3am to tell him that Sheila -(mentally ill)- had gone mad and had got hold of one of his guns, added to which Jeremy had been the last person to see the family alive. Who would believe that a girl, said to be immaculately devoid of the detritus of others' deaths, had killed them all before shooting herself TWICE? Whatever N&J debacle BW at some moment reported, doesn't make Jeremy innocent and adds nothing to the plausibility of Sheila being guilty.

[scipio_usmc]

Where's the evidence that Jeremy was the killer-------hearsay and suspicions aside.

Jeremy was convicted based on:

1) Evidence that Jeremy lied about numerous things which he only would have lied about if he were the killer

2) Evidence that Sheila can't have killed anyone or herself

3) Evidence that Nevill couldn't and wouldn't have made the call Jeremy claims Nevill made to him

4) Evidence Jeremy had been planning to kill them for quite some time and admitted he was responsible.

You ignore all the evidence because you don't want to face it that just means you are living in denial.

[nugnug]

I would say so,nugs. It's a load of hooey. I don't remember it being tested for fingerprints ?

well fingerprints wouldent prove whoevers they were it would only prove they touched it.