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Offline maggie

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #165 on: June 08, 2015, 12:07:PM »
Maggie I keep asking this question on the forum but as yet no answer how did the Sun know about these photo's if they had not been told by somebody.  They obviously existed because Colin relays the conversation between him and Jeremy in his book.  Now I am keeping an open mind about the sex toys etc that the Sun mentioned they may have added that but to me Jeremy tried to sell nude pictures of his dead sister to the Sun and whatever the pictures were like the act of doing it tells me all I need to know about him not saying this means he murdered his family but tells me he has a really dark side to his nature.
I just need to read the book and consider what Colin says in context.  I am not 'looking for excuses' or 'desperate' to prove JB innocent, I just wonder about various aspects which have nothing to do with accusations of Colin lying.
I do believe if Jeremy Bamber did approach the Sun and did offer explicit photos of his recently dead sister to them, it is quite possible he is capable of having murdered her. imo
As to how the Sun would know about the photos, it does seem others knew about them but having not read the book I cannot be sure Colin states this. A journalist such as Fielder is no doubt quite good at extracting all sorts of information, I don't know but there are possibilities the Sun had a source.  Just thoughts on my part.
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #166 on: June 08, 2015, 12:10:PM »
Have ordered the book Caroline, how much of a time lapse from the events of the Sun to when Colin wrote the book?

He wrote the book in 1994 but it is also mentioned in one of his statements.
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« Reply #167 on: June 08, 2015, 12:13:PM »
I just need to read the book and consider what Colin says in context.  I am not 'looking for excuses' or 'desperate' to prove JB innocent, I just wonder about various aspects which have nothing to do with accusations of Colin lying.
I do believe if Jeremy Bamber did approach the Sun and did offer explicit photos of his recently dead sister to them, he is quite possibly capable of having murdered her. imo
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Maggie read the book and it will give you a better insight into Colin and photo's.  I do not have a clear view at all about this case I keep asking posters who think Jeremy is innocent how come Sheila was so clean but as yet no answer.


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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #168 on: June 08, 2015, 12:18:PM »
He wrote the book in 1994 but it is also mentioned in one of his statements.
Thanks Caroline, it's a long time since I read his statements, I probably should do so before I read the book. There is a big time lapse between the event and the book and with the best will in the world memories can be deceptive, particularly at such a stressful time but if it was in his statement it was in the present and therefore probably accurate.








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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #169 on: June 08, 2015, 12:19:PM »
Thanks Caroline, it's a long time since I read his statements, I probably should do so before I read the book. There is a big time lapse between the event and the book and with the best will in the world memories can be deceptive, particularly at such a stressful time but if it was in his statement it was in the present and therefore probably accurate.

The statement is a written statement, I'm looking for it but I don't believe for one second you would forget something like that.
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #170 on: June 08, 2015, 12:21:PM »
I just need to read the book and consider what Colin says in context.  I am not 'looking for excuses' or 'desperate' to prove JB innocent, I just wonder about various aspects which have nothing to do with accusations of Colin lying.
I do believe if Jeremy Bamber did approach the Sun and did offer explicit photos of his recently dead sister to them, he is quite possibly capable of having murdered her. imo
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Maggie read the book and it will give you a better insight into Colin and photo's.  I do not have a clear view at all about this case I keep asking posters who think Jeremy is innocent how come Sheila was so clean but as yet no answer.
There are various arguments why Sheila's hands were clean etc. can't go there at the moment.  :'(

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« Reply #171 on: June 08, 2015, 12:27:PM »
Think petey was particularly addressing Adam's attitude to The Sun as it was in the 1980s and his particular argument that the Sun would never lie and print such lies on it's front page.  Petey is attempting to educate Adam on this subject, and did acknowledge that Colin backed up Fielder's story etc.   Am sure petey is well able to explain his position for himself.
I am afraid petey will have little more success than I have had.  :'( :'( :'(

Please show my post that The Sun have never got it wrong. All papers have. Even the quality ones.

In this instance, everything fits.

Supporters can just bring instances in totally unrelated cases. In the hope that the Bamber case is the one in 10,000 stories that year which The Sun deliberately got wrong.

What supporters cannot answer is why Fielder would risk everything. Going to his managers with the story. Printing it on the front page, making a WS and being prepared to testify. Then repeating the story several times in the last 30 years.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #172 on: June 08, 2015, 12:29:PM »
The statement is a written statement, I'm looking for it but I don't believe for one second you would forget something like that.
I am not saying he forgot Caroline, I agree he wouldn't but shock plays tricks on us, however I am now sounding as though I am trying to excuse it and I'm not so I shall leave it til I have read everything.

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« Reply #173 on: June 08, 2015, 12:30:PM »
Fielder had nothing to prove. He was head of the crime stories department at The Sun. He didn't need to make up the story to get brownie points or get himself noticed at work.

And he didn't need to risk anything.
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« Reply #174 on: June 08, 2015, 12:33:PM »
Please show my post that The Sun have never got it wrong. All papers have. Even the quality ones.

In this instance, everything fits.

Supporters can just bring instances in totally unrelated cases. In the hope that the Bamber case is the one in 10,000 stories that year which The Sun deliberately got wrong.

What supporters cannot answer is why Fielder would risk everything. Going to his managers with the story. Printing it on the front page, making a WS and being prepared to testify. Then repeating the story several times in the last 30 years.
I have given up Adam, I have tried to speak rationally about this but you just go on your merry way repeating the same old stuff.   :'(

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« Reply #175 on: June 08, 2015, 12:34:PM »
I must admit I can't see how anyone can accept that Bamber attempted to sell the photos, and then say he's not the killer.

Which is why there is resistance to the evidence from supporters. 
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #176 on: June 08, 2015, 12:36:PM »
I am not saying he forgot Caroline, I agree he wouldn't but shock plays tricks on us, however I am now sounding as though I am trying to excuse it and I'm not so I shall leave it til I have read everything.

Is seven days after the article appeared in the newspaper close enough? He went to the police and gave a statement just after the article appeared. Statement is from 24th September 1985 http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1560.msg47925.html#msg47925

This is where he states that what he read and what was told to him by Jeremy were 'exactly the same' (You can see everything, right down to the last detail).



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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #177 on: June 08, 2015, 12:40:PM »
Is seven days after the article appeared in the newspaper close enough? He went to the police and gave a statement just after the article appeared. Statement is from 24th September 1985 http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1560.msg47925.html#msg47925

This is where he states that what he read and what was told to him by Jeremy were 'exactly the same' (You can see everything, right down to the last detail).
Thank you, will read it after nursery. ;D

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« Reply #178 on: June 08, 2015, 12:44:PM »
Thank you, will read it after nursery. ;D

OK, interested to know what you think, now all the niggles have been ironed out and smoke screen has been cleared!!  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #179 on: June 08, 2015, 01:03:PM »
How and why did david Boutflour know on the 9th September what the newspaper was going to publish on the 10th September?