Colin Caffell - witness statements:-

[mike tesko]

Colin Caffell -  witness statement, dated, 7th August 1985:-

[mike tesko]

Colin Caffell -  witness statement, dated, 11th September 1985:-

[mike tesko]

Colin Caffell - witness statement, dated, 24th September 1985 (handwritten version):-

[mike tesko]

Colin Caffell - witness statement, dated, 20th November 1985:-

[Alias]

So Sheila was very violent with Colin.

[mike tesko]

So Sheila was very violent with Colin.

Yes, imagine if she had had a loaded weapon in her hand at that time, or on those occasions?

[grahameb]

So Sheila was very violent with Colin.

Yes, imagine if she had had a loaded weapon in her hand at that time, or on those occasions?

Unfortunately her violence is often not taken into consideration most of the time. I've said it before, but often mentally ill people when their emotions build up become extremely strong and uncontrollable and must be restrained sometimes by two or maybe three people. I've seen this. I wonder why people so easily dismiss this phenomenon?

[Alias]

So Sheila was very violent with Colin.

Yes, imagine if she had had a loaded weapon in her hand at that time, or on those occasions?

Unfortunately her violence is often not taken into consideration most of the time. I've said it before, but often mentally ill people when their emotions build up become extremely strong and uncontrollable and must be restrained sometimes by two or maby three people. I've seen this. I wonder why people so easily dismiss this phenomenon?

In this case, I think it is because Sheila was a young woman, cute woman to boot. You see these photos of her smiling, looking very "girly". There aren't any pictures of the violent episodes or her moodiness.
I have read enough witness statements about her violent outbursts and about her illness (and the halving of her medicine combined with drug use) to consider it more than plausible that Sheila could have very well committed the murders. The more I read, the more I am convinced.
People say that she was too frail. Why do people think Sheila was frail? She was young, and in fact her arms look quite strong and muscular in some photos.
In 1892 Lizzie Borden was acquitted as the hatchet murderess of her father and her stepmother. All evidence pointed to her, but the general view was that a woman could not commit such heinous crimes. To some degree, this perception still exists to this day.
BTW, Lizzie was cute too:

[Alias]

Forgot to say, how can a doctor evaluate that a mother is no danger to her children and herself when she thinks that her six-year-old boys are capable of raping her/having sex with her, and are the Devil´s children? Just normal mummy behaviour? 

[chochokeira]

So Sheila was very violent with Colin.

Yes, imagine if she had had a loaded weapon in her hand at that time, or on those occasions?

Unfortunately her violence is often not taken into consideration most of the time. I've said it before, but often mentally ill people when their emotions build up become extremely strong and uncontrollable and must be restrained sometimes by two or maby three people. I've seen this. I wonder why people so easily dismiss this phenomenon?

In this case, I think it is because Sheila was a young woman, cute woman to boot. You see these photos of her smiling, looking very "girly". There aren't any pictures of the violent episodes or her moodiness.
I have read enough witness statements about her violent outbursts and about her illness (and the halving of her medicine combined with drug use) to consider it more than plausible that Sheila could have very well committed the murders. The more I read, the more I am convinced.
People say that she was too frail. Why do people think Sheila was frail? She was young, and in fact her arms look quite strong and muscular in some photos.
In 1892 Lizzie Borden was acquitted as the hatchet murderess of her father and her stepmother. All evidence pointed to her, but the general view was that a woman could not commit such heinous crimes. To some degree, this perception still exists to this day.
BTW, Lizzie was cute too:

An excellent point, Abs. You deserve 10 rapturous rounds of applause for this.

[Alias]

Thank you, chocho, one back!

[HMEssex]

So Sheila was very violent with Colin.

Yes, imagine if she had had a loaded weapon in her hand at that time, or on those occasions?

Unfortunately her violence is often not taken into consideration most of the time. I've said it before, but often mentally ill people when their emotions build up become extremely strong and uncontrollable and must be restrained sometimes by two or maby three people. I've seen this. I wonder why people so easily dismiss this phenomenon?

In this case, I think it is because Sheila was a young woman, cute woman to boot. You see these photos of her smiling, looking very "girly". There aren't any pictures of the violent episodes or her moodiness.
I have read enough witness statements about her violent outbursts and about her illness (and the halving of her medicine combined with drug use) to consider it more than plausible that Sheila could have very well committed the murders. The more I read, the more I am convinced.
People say that she was too frail. Why do people think Sheila was frail? She was young, and in fact her arms look quite strong and muscular in some photos.
In 1892 Lizzie Borden was acquitted as the hatchet murderess of her father and her stepmother. All evidence pointed to her, but the general view was that a woman could not commit such heinous crimes. To some degree, this perception still exists to this day.
BTW, Lizzie was cute too:

I also agree with what you say here, Abs.

I think in one or two photos I've seen of Sheila she doesn't look as 'sparkly'.  In the one labelled SC30 in the photo thread to me she has strange expression.  It's her eyes.

I also think that during one of episodes she would have had the physical strength to attack her father.

With this I go in relation to my cousin who is also schizophrenic and the one person she would quite often attack was her mother - one time in the hospital grounds when my aunt was visiting and it took 3 or 4 members of staff to pull her away.  My cousin is tiny - 5' tall!

[smiffy]

In my view Colin does not appear to be fully truthful about the various nude photos (slides) of Sheila.  He is far from comfortable in regards to them in his statements concerning them. His claimed act of writing JB a letter in a second request to get hold of the said slides seems a rather desperate act. Why did he want them so much? He could have asked JB to dispose of them if that was his main intention. He was acting with some urgency ...and posted the claimed letter...something he seemingly did not do in regards to his letter meant for Ralph in regards to the difficulties with Sheila.

Allegedly he wrote a letter about the photos(slides), then reads a sun article, then writes a second letter all on the 17th september. I am not happy that we have the whole truth on this from Colin.

Colin's statement shows an implied mistrust of JB in that without saying so he suggests JB would not have destroyed the slides. This seems to have been made to smear JB's character.

nb Colin does say JB had been cleaning Sheila's flat and bagging up the childrens books and toys etc so JB was not focussing on just items that may have provided monetary gain as is generally implied in the tone of the statement.
It is my view that Colin was uncomfortable about things to do with the slides and it was in his own interest to be seen to be acting appropriately and to suggest improper intent on JB's part.

One does wonder how the various films were processed to produce slides as many commercial operations the public used would not have processed them. This obviously includes the photos that Colin himself admits to taking.

We need to know about Sheila's past to understand and try making sense of he schitzophrenia and how it manifested itself and the type of content. Was she manipulated as a model, was she a vulnerable person in her earlier years. Was she taken advantage of in ways some may find improper and were ashamed about? She may have worried too about how the public would view her and the things she knew she had done in her life.
I view her as the killer of the other 4 due to her mental health issues hence it is relevant to what happened at whf and what things influenced her in combination to do what she did  that may have built up over many years.

[smiffy]

Colin's statement of the 11th september makes no mention of any photos of Sheila at all.
He does make on mention of photographs and that being old ones of JB on a shooting party or similar to do with gun useage.
I do wonder as to whether Colin was keeping hush on the photos(slides of Sheila) he is supposed to have discussed with JB on the 7th of september at Sheila's flat.

Colin  seemed concerned that JB had cleared out stuff from Sheila's and had not waited for him. However Colin had gone off on holiday for 2 weeks only returning on the 6th september. It would have been unreasonable to expect JB to wait and not act  and refrain from doing anything at Sheila's flat as Colin was away for 2 weeks.
Colin only comes "home" as such for a week as he then reports going away again yet again on the 13th september.
Colin here seems unreasonable in regards to JB doing things that needed to be done.  Colin hardly seemed to be making any real effort even if it was unpleasant or due to grief over losing his sons.

So Colin is told of the slides and is even given one set of slides on the 7th of september...yet whatever concerns he had he failed to mention this at all in his statement several days later on the 11th september.

[grahameb]

Colin's statement of the 11th september makes no mention of any photos of Sheila at all.
He does make on mention of photographs and that being old ones of JB on a shooting party or similar to do with gun useage.
I do wonder as to whether Colin was keeping hush on the photos(slides of Sheila) he is supposed to have discussed with JB on the 7th of september at Sheila's flat.

Colin  seemed concerned that JB had cleared out stuff from Sheila's and had not waited for him. However Colin had gone off on holiday for 2 weeks only returning on the 6th september. It would have been unreasonable to expect JB to wait and not act  and refrain from doing anything at Sheila's flat as Colin was away for 2 weeks.
Colin only comes "home" as such for a week as he then reports going away again yet again on the 13th september.
Colin here seems unreasonable in regards to JB doing things that needed to be done.  Colin hardly seemed to be making any real effort even if it was unpleasant or due to grief over losing his sons.

So Colin is told of the slides and is even given one set of slides on the 7th of september...yet whatever concerns he had he failed to mention this at all in his statement several days later on the 11th september.

I see that Colin had gone on holiday after the murders? Yet he is not condemned as Jeremy was?