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Offline Adam

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« Reply #45 on: May 04, 2015, 10:42:PM »
A lot of the "evidence" is nothing more than unconfirmed hearsay.

And saying Sheila could not have done it is not necessarily proof that JB did it. How do you know there was not someone else in the house forcing NB to make the call to get JB there?

Again I am not saying that is what happened - but is it impossible?

JB indicated he was not the only person who knew how to get in and out of the house.

I too have seen no proof that JB was the murderer. And yet he is supposed to be stupid enough to have made several mistakes along the way.

Who else knew how to get in through windows ?

Are you bringing up the random burglar/psychopath theory. Threads have dismissed this.
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« Reply #46 on: May 04, 2015, 11:00:PM »
Yes it is a fact that only one living person knows.

I just go by the evidence. Which shows certain guilt.





Erm,what evidence-----------particularly your mountains of forensic that I'm very interested in ?

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« Reply #47 on: May 04, 2015, 11:05:PM »




Erm,what evidence-----------particularly your mountains of forensic that I'm very interested in ?

There is a mountain of forensic and circumstantial evidence. Threads have been created by me. I also responded to you're request earlier today.

Keep up.
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« Reply #48 on: May 04, 2015, 11:07:PM »
There is a mountain of forensic and circumstantial evidence. Threads have been created by me. I also responded to you're request earlier today.

Keep up.






Oh,the postage stamp sized info ? Right.

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« Reply #49 on: May 04, 2015, 11:12:PM »
Bamber's footprints and fingerprints will be all over the house. He was a regular visitor. Either sneaking through windows to look at wills, or popping over for supper and a rabbit massacre. So no possible joy for the police here. 

Bamber had a month to dispose of clothes. Even so John Hayward found human blood on Bamber's jacket, bathrobe and in his car. 

The crime was committed by Sheila or Bamber. There is a mountain of forensic evidence showing it was not Sheila. Which automatically shows it was Bamber. 

June being shot with her head on the pillow is forensic evidence pointing to Bamber rather than Sheila. 

There is the silencer evidence which shows beyond doubt it was Bamber. 

There is the found hack saw which Bamber admitted using to get in and out of WHF. But apparently not on the massacre night. 

There is the discovery that the kitchen window could be banged shut from outside.  

No one can explain how Sheila could have committed the massacre to match the crime scene. Which shows Jeremy's certain guilt.
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« Reply #50 on: May 04, 2015, 11:15:PM »
There is also a mountain of circumstantial evidence. Judges words.
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« Reply #51 on: May 05, 2015, 10:00:AM »
There is also a mountain of circumstantial evidence. Judges words.





The judge was only repeating the lies which were told to him by the prosecution as a whole. He wasn't there to oversee the crime as it happened,so therefore his opinion doesn't count.
Imagine admitting that you relied on circumstantial evidence in order to convict someone. Says it all really.

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« Reply #52 on: May 05, 2015, 11:42:AM »




The judge was only repeating the lies which were told to him by the prosecution as a whole. He wasn't there to oversee the crime as it happened,so therefore his opinion doesn't count.
Imagine admitting that you relied on circumstantial evidence in order to convict someone. Says it all really.

LOTS of people are convicted by circumstantial evidence.
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« Reply #53 on: May 05, 2015, 11:44:AM »
LOTS of people are convicted by circumstantial evidence.






Just because of a hate campaign ? As in this case.

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« Reply #54 on: May 05, 2015, 12:22:PM »
Thank you Lookout.

I never knew a judges opinion doesn't  count. 
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« Reply #55 on: May 05, 2015, 12:29:PM »





Just because of a hate campaign ? As in this case.

Nothing to do with any kind of campaign - it's just what happens. When there is overwhelming circumstantial evidence (as in this case), the CPS will agree to peruse a conviction.
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« Reply #56 on: May 05, 2015, 12:32:PM »
Nothing to do with any kind of campaign - it's just what happens. When there is overwhelming circumstantial evidence (as in this case), the CPS will agree to peruse a conviction.





And as we all know,they're never always right.

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« Reply #57 on: May 05, 2015, 12:36:PM »
For starters, the recent historic abuse cases had no physical evidence, just statements from those who were abused. Do you think all of those convictions should be quashed?
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« Reply #58 on: May 05, 2015, 12:38:PM »




And as we all know,they're never always right.

More often than not, they are right.
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« Reply #59 on: May 05, 2015, 12:41:PM »
LOTS of people are convicted by circumstantial evidence.

Agreed  especially before forensic science came into the forefront.

Its almost impossible to prove a lot of things  - that is why we end up going round in circles.