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Offline mike tesko

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Through speaking with Jeremy on many occasions, I learned that it was a habit of Ralph Bamber not to go to bed, but he would relax in the lounge, or upstairs office. Often fall a sleep there, and evidence that he had been drinking close by...

For this reason, I do not believe that Ralph Bamber was a sleep in bed at the time the shootings began. I believe that he was sat in his chair in the upstairs office dozing off, as was his custom....
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I believe that an absence of any of his blood in the main bedroom, supports this idea...
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12 bullet cases found in the immediate vicinity of the main bedroom, and a further solitary bullet case discovered just outside the main bedroom door on the upstairs landing, appear to tell its own story...

It was the prosecutions case, that the three adult victims had all been shot whilst present at one time or another in the master bedroom.

Ralph Bamber, shot 8 times (4 non fatal)
June Bamber,  shot 7 times ( 5 non fatal)
Sheila Caffell, shot 2 times (1 non fatal)

total shots:-  13
« Last Edit: April 06, 2015, 10:10:PM by mike tesko »
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12 bullet cases found in the immediate vicinity of the main bedroom, and a further solitary bullet case discovered just outside the main bedroom door on the upstairs landing, appear to tell its own story...

It was the prosecutions case, that the three adult victims had all been shot whilst present at one time or another in the master bedroom.

Ralph Bamber, shot 8 times (4 non fatal)
June Bamber,  shot 7 times ( 5 non fatal)
Sheila Caffell, shot 2 times (1 non fatal)

total shots:-  13

We now know that in fact, Ralph Bamber was only shot 7 times, not 8 (one bullet caused two of his
 injuries)...
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Offline mike tesko

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I am not satisfied that the distribution of recovered bullet cases (12) in the vicinity of the main bedroom has been reported accurately...

I arrive at this conclusion because of the following reasons:-
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I am not satisfied that the distribution of recovered bullet cases (12) in the vicinity of the main bedroom has been reported accurately...

I arrive at this conclusion because of the following reasons:-

Only June Bamber from the group of adult victims had exit wounds from being shot during the incident, she had three bullet exit wounds, and yet the following loose bullets were found in the main bedroom...

It would be a worthwhile exercise to identify these 5 bullets by reference to their exhibit marks, with a view to establishing which victims they were, or have been associated with or to...

(1) - 2.44 (exhibit mark, DRH/35a) recovered from pillow of main bed in main bedroom
(2) - 2.43 (exhibit mark, DRH/35b) recovered from pillow of main bed in main bedroom
(3) - 2.42 (exhibit mark, DRH/5) recovered from near dressing table in main bedroom)
(4) - 1.67 (exhibit mark, DRH/9) recovered from main bed in main bedroom)

What we discover, is that each of the aforementioned bullets, passed through the bodies of victims, and were found laying loosely in the corresponding locations specified.

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Only June Bamber from the group of adult victims had exit wounds from being shot during the incident, she had three bullet exit wounds, and yet the following loose bullets were found in the main bedroom...

It would be a worthwhile exercise to identify these 5 bullets by reference to their exhibit marks, with a view to establishing which victims they were, or have been associated with or to...

(1) - 2.44 (exhibit mark, DRH/35a) recovered from pillow of main bed in main bedroom
(2) - 2.43 (exhibit mark, DRH/35b) recovered from pillow of main bed in main bedroom
(3) - 2.42 (exhibit mark, DRH/5) recovered from near dressing table in main bedroom)
(4) - 1.67 (exhibit mark, DRH/9) recovered from main bed in main bedroom)

What we discover, is that each of the aforementioned bullets, passed through the bodies of victims, and were found laying loosely in the corresponding locations specified.

Now, lets do some basic arithmetic:-

June Bamber shot seven times, has three bullet exit wounds
Ralph Bamber is shot 7 times, has one exit wound, but bullet re-enters another part of his body
Sheila Caffell is shot twice, and has no exit wounds

There should only be three loose bullets found in the main bedroom but there are in fact four...

(1) - 2.44 (exhibit mark, DRH/35a) recovered from pillow of main bed in main bedroom
(2) - 2.43 (exhibit mark, DRH/35b) recovered from pillow of main bed in main bedroom
(3) - 2.42 (exhibit mark, DRH/5) recovered from near dressing table in main bedroom)
(4) - 1.67 (exhibit mark, DRH/9) recovered from main bed in main bedroom)

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One of the 12 bullet cases recovered from the main bedroom, must have been part of one of these four cartridges...
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One of the 12 bullet cases recovered from the main bedroom, must have been part of one of these four cartridges...

This is where logistics come into play, helping to expose how police sought to frame Jeremy Bamber as the killer, by falsely alleging that he murdered all five victims, including Sheila Caffell, and that he stage managed the crime scene to fool police into accepting that Sheila had killed the others, and then taken her own life with use of the family owned anshuzt rifle...

But, police dropped one clanger after another by tampering with the crime scene ammunition...
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Now, lets do some basic arithmetic:-

June Bamber shot seven times, has three bullet exit wounds
Ralph Bamber is shot 7 times, has one exit wound, but bullet re-enters another part of his body
Sheila Caffell is shot twice, and has no exit wounds

There should only be three loose bullets found in the main bedroom but there are in fact four...

(1) - 2.44 (exhibit mark, DRH/35a) recovered from pillow of main bed in main bedroom
(2) - 2.43 (exhibit mark, DRH/35b) recovered from pillow of main bed in main bedroom
(3) - 2.42 (exhibit mark, DRH/5) recovered from near dressing table in main bedroom)
(4) - 1.67 (exhibit mark, DRH/9) recovered from main bed in main bedroom)


No there should have been 4 bullets found in the bedroom because 3 bullets exited June and 1 bullet grazed Nevill. The other 7 bullets fired in the bedroom at June and Nevill were recovered inside of them. (4 recovered inside of June and 3 recovered inside of Nevill)

Master Bedroom

Nevill
PV/2  (Shoulder)
Arm/chest Graze wound -1 of the following: DRH/5, 9, 15, or 35     
PV/5 (jaw) fragment broken from either PV10 or PV11
PV/10 (lip)         
PV/11 (jaw)



June
PV/23 lower chest
PV/24 right upper chest
PV/25
PV/26
lower neck 1 of the following DRH/5, 9, 15, or 35
forearm 1 of the following DRH/5, 9, 15, or 35
knee 1 of the following DRH/5, 9, 15, or 35

Sheila
PV/19
PV/20

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It is now an undisputed fact that one of the 12 bullet cases found in the vicinity of the main bedroom, belonged to the mystery loose bullet, which cannot be linked or associated to any of the three adult victims who during the course of events may have got shot inside the bedroom in question...

So, what we are left with are 11 bullet cases recovered from the main bedroom, which we can then link or associate with the shootings of the three adult victims inside the parameters of the main bedroom. we can see that seven of these are linked or associated with the shooting of June Bamber, because we know that she was shot a total of 7 times inside that same bedroom. This leaves four bullet cases to still be accounted for, against six shots we have been asked to believe and accept related to Ralph Bamber and Sheila Caffell, whilst both were present inside the bedroom. But the logistics do not support the claim of the prosecution that Ralph Bamber had been shot four times whilst inside that bedroom, or that Sheila Caffell had been shot twice there, since in order for that to have been true there would have had to be six more bullet cases present in the vicinity of the bedroom, yet there are only four...

If Ralph Bamber was shot three times non fatally whilst in the bedroom, that leaves only one bullet case left there, and still to be explained is how was Sheila thus shot twice in the bedroom, without a corresponding bullet case being present to account for one of the two shots she received?
« Last Edit: April 06, 2015, 11:31:PM by mike tesko »
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Logistics, in this matter, do not lie...

Do the sums...
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Logistics, in this matter, do not lie...

Do the sums...

Whichever way the prosecution and its supporters want to play it, there was insufficient bullet cases recovered from inside the main bedroom - in other words police dropped a clanger in framing Jeremy Bamber for these murders. Sheila could not possibly have been shot twice inside the bedroom, only once...
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Mike TESKO's Blueprint proving his theory is produced here, so that students seeking the truth can perform their own calculations:-

Bullet cases

01   -   loose bullet 1 June Bamber
02   -   loose bullet 2 June Bamber
03   -   loose bullet 3 June Bamber
04   -   loose bullet 4 Ralph Bamber
05   -  (1)
06   -  (2) 
07   -  (3)
08   -  (4)
09   -  (5)
10   -  (6)
11   -  (7)
12   -  (8)

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This leaves only 8 bullet cases to be accounted for, yet since June had been shot 7 times, (three loose bullets recovered from bedroom), and that Ralph Bamber had been shot 8 times (one loose bullet recovered from the bedroom), he having been shot four times non fatally in the bedroom, and Sheila shot twice in the bedroom, there is a significant shortfall of one bullet case in the bedroom, which supports the case for Sheila Caffell only having been shot once in the main bedroom, not shot twice...
« Last Edit: April 07, 2015, 12:32:AM by mike tesko »
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Whichever way the prosecution and its supporters want to play it, there was insufficient bullet cases recovered from inside the main bedroom - in other words police dropped a clanger in framing Jeremy Bamber for these murders. Sheila could not possibly have been shot twice inside the bedroom, only once...
There was blood on the wallpaper in the hall leading into the kitchen,and also the handprints of someone on the blue and white chequered worktop,which I assume was not examined as I've never read that they ever were matched to any of the victims. Do you go with the scenario of Scott Lomax that there was a struggle in the kitchen between Sheila and Nevill and this is how the ceiling light got broken? I was also wondering about the lounge where Nevill watched television. Did we ever see any photographs of this room?
« Last Edit: April 06, 2015, 11:46:PM by Steve_uk »