13 bullet cases in m/bedroom, yet no follower plate mark found on them...

[mike tesko]

13 bullet cases recovered from main bedroom, yet no follower plate mark present on any of them...

[mike tesko]

13 bullet cases recovered from main bedroom, yet no follower plate mark present on any of them...

8 more bullet cases recovered from so called childrens bedroom, yet no follower plate mark found on any of them...

[mike tesko]

3 further bullet cases recovered from the vicinity of the main kitchen, yet none with a follower plate mark upon them...

[mike tesko]

A single bullet case recovered from the main stairway, yet it had no follower plate mark upon it....

[mike tesko]

There should be a follower plate mark on the casing of the very last round fired in the anshuzt rifle, but since none of the 25 bullet cases which form the batch of crime scene ammunition have even a solitary follower plate mark upon them, how can it be proved that every piece of the 25 bullet cases were fired at the scene when everyone was killed, with the rifle being found empty with no further bullets in its ammunition magazine?

[mike tesko]

Police who tampered with the batch of crime scene ammunition, made fundamental mistakes, including overlooking the fact that test fired rounds / bullet cases used in the substitution process, so that they could present the case as a one gun crime, did not have a solitary follower plate mark upon them. In addition, they introduced an additional bullet case to make the total 25, when there were originally only 24 (Ralph was only shot with 7 bullets, not 8 - one of the shots caused two of the injuries). Police involved in this exercise, dropped a clanger, they even introduced an additional bullet (the substituted whole round (PV/20) which had originally been a badly fragmented one)...

[scipio_usmc]

Follower plates don't leave distinctive marks.  The lip of a magazine (the part at the top that keep the bullets inside from popping out) will scratch against the casing as it is remove from the magazine whether done manually or by the bolt of the weapon.  The breech will leave distinctive marks associated with that breech, there will be extraction marks associated with a specific rifle and the firing pin impression will leave a distinctive mark.  These are used to match up a casing to a particular weapon and all 25 matched the Anschutz.

[mike tesko]

Follower plates don't leave distinctive marks.  The lip of a magazine (the part at the top that keep the bullets inside from popping out) will scratch against the casing as it is remove from the magazine whether done manually or by the bolt of the weapon.  The breech will leave distinctive marks associated with that breech, there will be extraction marks associated with a specific rifle and the firing pin impression will leave a distinctive mark.  These are used to match up a casing to a particular weapon and all 25 matched the Anschutz.

I am not disagreeing with marks that are made at different stages of the loading, firing and ejection, extraction procedure, but I take issue regarding your suggestion that there will be no mark made by the steel follower plate which presses against the brass casing of any round which is loaded into the ammunition magazine, since steel against shiny brass casings does produce the distinctive markings I am talking about. During test fires at Birdwell armoury in 2003 / 2004, I witnessed such follower plate markings, and I was even able to identity the position on the floor of the range where these tests took place, where the last cartridge case landed after it ejected from the rifle. The rifle used on that occasion was a model 525 anshuzt semi - automatic rifle, a parker hale sound moderator, and Eley .22 subsonic hollow point ammunition. Yet no such follower plate marks were found on any of the batch of crime scene ammunition recovered from the scene of these shootings, which tells me that somebody tampered with the bullet casings, to make this case into a one gun crime, which it was not....

[scipio_usmc]

I am not disagreeing with marks that are made at different stages of the loading, firing and ejection, extraction procedure, but I take issue regarding your suggestion that there will be no mark made by the steel follower plate which presses against the brass casing of any round which is loaded into the ammunition magazine, since steel against shiny brass casings does produce the distinctive markings I am talking about. During test fires at Birdwell armoury in 2003 / 2004, I witnessed such follower plate markings, and I was even able to identity the position on the floor of the range where these tests took place, where the last cartridge case landed after it ejected from the rifle. The rifle used on that occasion was a model 525 anshuzt semi - automatic rifle, a parker hale sound moderator, and Eley .22 subsonic hollow point ammunition. Yet no such follower plate marks were found on any of the batch of crime scene ammunition recovered from the scene of these shootings, which tells me that somebody tampered with the bullet casings, to make this case into a one gun crime, which it was not....

Follower plate marks are not often observed or recognized.  It doesn't establish anything.  Lip marks are readily recognizable and were mentioned to refute the notion the ammo supply was brand new untouched- some of the rounds had been loaded previously.  There is not  a reason to try to discern what the most subtle of marks are because it has no bearing in tying a bullet to a particular weapon that is what matters most.  You spend all your time on conspiracy crap that proves nothing instead of what actually matters.

[mike tesko]

Follower plate marks are not often observed or recognized.  It doesn't establish anything.  Lip marks are readily recognizable and were mentioned to refute the notion the ammo supply was brand new untouched- some of the rounds had been loaded previously.  There is not  a reason to try to discern what the most subtle of marks are because it has no bearing in tying a bullet to a particular weapon that is what matters most.  You spend all your time on conspiracy crap that proves nothing instead of what actually matters.

Follower plate marks are important, and do not appear on every round loaded into an ammunition magazine, unless every round is individually loaded into the magazine and then fired. In the circumstances of this case, it was very important to identify  any bullet case with a follower plate mark upon it, because of the prosecution argument which they presented to the jury that there had only been one rifle used in the shootings, and that an additional 14 /15 rounds loaded into the same ammunition magazine in order for all of the 25 rounds to have been fired during the incident, and the fact that the hand swab evidence taken from Sheila showed insufficient lead deposit readings, for Sheila to have been the shooter. In the circumstances of this case, identifying at least one bullet case found at the scene with a follower plate mark upon was necessary to at least give some credence to the suggestion that the magazine belonging to the anshuzt rifle had been reloaded during the shootings. The fact that not one of the 25 bullet cases had a follower plate mark upon them, indicates to me that the batch of crime scene bulet cases was tampered with by police, in the knowlege of the ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher...

A 25th bullet case was added to the crime scene batch of bullet cases, to create a false impression that 25 shots had been fired, when only 24 had been fired, including the non fatal shot across Sheila's neck, from a police issue weapon - adding a 25th bullet case to the batch of crime scene ammunition was a blunder of great magditude, police and the ballistic expert confused themselves by adding the 25th bullet case, when only 23 rounds were fired through family owned .22 weapons, during the incident unfolding inside whf, the 24th round having been fired through a .22 police issue weapon...

[lookout]

Mike,would you know if there was a separate billing for business phone-calls at WHF ?

[scipio_usmc]

Mike,would you know if there was a separate billing for business phone-calls at WHF ?

They had on phone line.

[mike tesko]

Mike,would you know if there was a separate billing for business phone-calls at WHF ?

Yes, I believe this was the arrangement at whf around the time of the shootings. The business line being linked to the telephone plugged in at the socket in the upstairs office, and supported by the hands free handset which could be used away from the farmhouse on the surrounding land and fields. For some reason, police have not yet revealed much information about the telephone situated in the upstairs office. We don't know if its handset was off its cradle when the police entered the farmhouse at around 7.30am...

I believe I am right in saying that the landline telephone (whf) and the business phone shared the same line connected to whf...

[scipio_usmc]

Yes, I believe this was the arrangement at whf around the time of the shootings. The business line being linked to the telephone plugged in at the socket in the upstairs office, and supported by the hands free hanset which could be used away from the farmhouse on the surrounding land and fields. For some reason, police have not t revealed much information about the telephone situated in the upstairs office. We don't know if its handset was off its cradle when the police entered the farmhouse at around 7.30am...

I believe I am right in saying that the landline telephone (whf) and the business phone shared the same line connected to whf...

They had only one phone line in the house with 2 extensions so 3 plugs total. 1 in the kitchen, 1 in the master bedroom and one in the upstairs office.  The same line was used for business and personal calls.

It wasn't until after the murders that a second line was installed.   

[mike tesko]

Through speaking with Jeremy on many occasions, I learned that it was a habit of Ralph Bamber not to go to bed, but he would relax in the lounge, or upstairs office. Often fall a sleep there, and evidence that he had been drinking close by...