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He went on to say that blood from the first injury was very little externally, which in any event had dried completely by the time the second shot was eventually inflicted...
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So, the mystery of the time which elapsed in between both shots has finally been resolved - there was exactly a 98 minute gap between infliction of the first and last shot....

'Z' told Cyclops members who queried the timing of the second shot beneath the chin, pointing out that if Sheila received the second shot at 9.13am, then the recording which captured the actual circumstances of her death should have been recorded on the first crime scene video, not the second one. But 'Z' responded that the clock at the scene used to keep time during the firearms operation was 10 to 15 minutes out of synchronisation with the main clock in the control room...
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In his witness statement describing the occasion he first saw Sheila in the bedroom, Miller states quite clearly that Sheila only had a solitary shot in the neck, and that her body was laid "ON" the far side of the bed, not next to it, or not on the bed...

Nothing you say is credible you need to post the statements because you lie to often to be trusted about anything.  In any even, many different officers said far side of the bed and they meant on the floor on the opposite side June was located.  June was on the near side of the bed and Sheila on the far side of the bed.  Dr. Craig said she was on the far side and clearly indicated the bed blocked her body so it could not be seen until you walked around the bed to the far side.  Despite such you distorted and insisted he meant she was in the bed.  How could the bed block her body if she had been laying on it?  This is just one of countless examples of you intentionally distorting and why nothing you say can be trusted. 

A large number of police indicated she was on the floor and the blood evidence proves she was on the floor as they said.  They had no need to transfer her to the floor if she had died in the bed.  So on top of all the evidence being against you, you don't even have a logical reason why they would move her body and lie about it.
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So, the mystery of the time which elapsed in between both shots has finally been resolved - there was exactly a 98 minute gap between infliction of the first and last shot....

'Z' told Cyclops members who queried the timing of the second shot beneath the chin, pointing out that if Sheila received the second shot at 9.13am, then the recording which captured the actual circumstances of her death should have been recorded on the first crime scene video, not the second one. But 'Z' responded that the clock at the scene used to keep time during the firearms operation was 10 to 15 minutes out of synchronisation with the main clock in the control room...

Cyclops members have returned to the UK earlier this morning from Palma airport...
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According to a retired officer who was present at the scene, the actual moment that Sheila was shot under the chin was captured in the crime scene video, including the moment that her body was moved from the bed onto the bedroom floor. He informed us only this week that after police had inflicted the second shot which penetrated beneath her chin, that her body was lifted from the bed onto the floor and placed in a considerably different position than her body ended up in. He told us that her body was placed on its right hand side and that one officer in particular tried to stem the blood flow from the second shot by placing his fingers over the bullet hole which was leaking blood, but that after a few minutes he removed his fingers and the fresh blood that was leaking from the fresh wound (the most recent second wound), the blood ran over the bloodied fingermarks he had left in that part of the neck. He informed us that blood had run in all directions from her mouth and nostrils during the movement of her body from the bed to the bedroom floor, and that some of it pooled into her left eye socket...

all recorded in the second part of the crime scene video currently withheld under pii...

Who recorded this video and when?  It is easy to make up nonsense claims evidence is needed to prove such including the name of who recorded it and the time.  It wasn't Davidson, Cook, Bird or Hammersley and they were the only ones inside when the crime scene investigation was taking place so who filmed it Casper the ghost?

In the meantime if a recording had been made then Vanezis would have used it.  He specifically said no recording was made of the scene and he simply got to do a walk through later after everything had already been removed.   They would not have made a video then instantly withheld it from him when they were busy blaming Sheila.

Fairytales like this just ruin any chance of people believing a word you say so you are simply shooting yourself in the foot.
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He went on to say that blood from the first injury was very little externally, which in any event had dried completely by the time the second shot was eventually inflicted...

The first injury severed a major vein and caused substantial bleeding. The second wound killed her, resulting in her heard to stop beating so the amount of blood that flowed out after such was not very substantial which is why the pool of blood on the floor is not that big. 
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Overall, the meetings held in alcudia this week, between the retired officer, Cyclops members and myself, has proved to have been a very positive one. We all know that 100% Jeremy Bamber had not shot and killed his sister Sheila Caffell. The police who all attended the scene in a firearms, SOCO, and senior officers capacity also knew and know that Sheila did not die, until after the firearms officers forced thier way into the building, at around 7.30am...
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The first injury severed a major vein and caused substantial bleeding. The second wound killed her, resulting in her heard to stop beating so the amount of blood that flowed out after such was not very substantial which is why the pool of blood on the floor is not that big.

I will start responding to you once you have learned to be a bit more respectful to other people, including myself...
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SHEILA was photographed laid on the bed with only a solitary bullet wound in her neck...

Nonsense on so many levels.

Dr. Craig examined her at 8:45am while she was on the floor and she was declared dead.  He noted the blood that was on her gown and on her face which he said was dry.  The crime scene officers entered later than this and there is no way she could have been in the bed unless they or someone else moved her from the floor to the bed.  There is no reason anyone would do so.

Not only did police have no reason to lie about where her body had been, if police had decided to conceal she was found in bed and thus decided to lie to Vanezis about where her body had been no way would they have decided to lie and yet to take photos proving they were lying by documenting she had been in the bed.  The only photos taken would be after they moved her.

You want to pretend that for no reason they decided to move her body and lie about where her body was and worse yet decided to take photos and video documenting how she was before they moved her so that they could get caught lying.  It is preposterous on top of there being zero evidence to support it.
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Monday evening of this past week was a very interesting discussion between all three parties, regarding the various claims made by one expert, as opposed to another expert, concerning how long could Sheila have survived once she had sustained the first shot across the throat? Venezis's view, and Professor Knight's view, being at the forefront of debate...

According to Professor Knight's version of events, he had testified to the effect that it was not uncommon for someone with the type of injury sustained at the time of the first shot, to be able to survive a considerable length of time. He even went to the trouble of saying that Sheila might have been able to walk about for as long as 30 minutes after initially been shot. Of course, this did not fit in with what 'Z' had told Cyclops members to the effect that there had been a 98 minute period in between both shots. So, as can be imagined, all sorts of additional questions were being raised, some answered, some not yet answered, to account for what Professor Knight had said during his testimony and cross examination. The gist of which came down to the following:-
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Monday evening of this past week was a very interesting discussion between all three parties, regarding the various claims made by one expert, as opposed to another expert, concerning how long could Sheila have survived once she had sustained the first shot across the throat? Venezis's view, and Professor Knight's view, being at the forefront of debate...

According to Professor Knight's version of events, he had testified to the effect that it was not uncommon for someone with the type of injury sustained at the time of the first shot, to be able to survive a considerable length of time. He even went to the trouble of saying that Sheila might have been able to walk about for as long as 30 minutes after initially been shot. Of course, this did not fit in with what 'Z' had told Cyclops members to the effect that there had been a 98 minute period in between both shots. So, as can be imagined, all sorts of additional questions were being raised, some answered, some not yet answered, to account for what Professor Knight had said during his testimony and cross examination. The gist of which came down to the following:-

There were questions being raised particularly with regards to the 30 minute period which Prifessor Knight had spoken about, and the 98 minute delay between both shots being inflicted against Sheila, which 'Z' was speaking of? One cyclops member in particular pointed out from the outset that this represented  a one hour and 8 minute disparity, which he thought was way out of the scope to which Professor Knight had been alluding too...
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Another Cyclops member offered an interesting solution to account for the aforementioned disparity. He told us that he strongly suspected that what Professor Knight had been speaking about, was someone who had similarly been shot like Sheila, who had not lapsed into unconsciousness, not someone who as Sheila had done, lapsed immediately into unconsciousness, then become woken up. Based upon what we know, if the accounts provided for our attention had been accurately mentioned, then the last known occasion that Sheila's body was known to have been definately downstairs in the kitchen had been at precisely 8.10am, when a radio message was transmitted from inside the farmhouse, ' after a thorough search, a further three bodies have been found upstairs, five dead in total'...

By 8.10am, there was still two bodies downstairs, and three more upstairs...

However, at 8.15am, counciding with the entry of DCI Harris, DCI Gibbons, and PI Montgomery,  into the kitchen of the farmhouse, Sheila's body was discovered by these senior officers to have gone AWOL. The alarm was raised at 8.15am, to the effect that Sheila's body was no longer in the kitchen where it was supposed to have been..,
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Another Cyclops member offered an interesting solution to account for the aforementioned disparity. He told us that he strongly suspected that what Professor Knight had been speaking about, was someone who had similarly been shot like Sheila, who had not lapsed into unconsciousness, not someone who as Sheila had done, lapsed immediately into unconsciousness, then become woken up. Based upon what we know, if the accounts provided for our attention had been accurately mentioned, then the last known occasion that Sheila's body was known to have been definately downstairs in the kitchen had been at precisely 8.10am, when a radio message was transmitted from inside the farmhouse, ' after a thorough search, a further three bodies have been found upstairs, five dead in total'...

By 8.10am, there was still two bodies downstairs, and three more upstairs...

However, at 8.15am, counciding with the entry of DCI Harris, DCI Gibbons, and PI Montgomery,  into the kitchen of the farmhouse, Sheila's body was discovered by these senior officers to have gone AWOL. The alarm was raised at 8.15am, to the effect that Sheila's body was no longer in the kitchen where it was supposed to have been..,

There is zero support for the notion 2 bodies were ever in the kitchen.  Collins saw only one body before the door was broken down- which he thought was an elderly woman- and after it was broken down EVERY single person who entered reported seeing only Nevill's body.  The only pooled blood in the kitchen was Nevill's so no physical support for any other body.

You ignore all the relevant evidence and say there was another body because of someone NOT at the scene (hearsay) got confused by Collins' initial report of an elderly woman and the report after the door was broken down and report Nevill was in the kitchen and incorrectly recorded 2 bodies in the kitchen.  No where did the person who made such error suggest the 2nd body was Sheila.  Indeed, if one wants to run with the erroneous claim of an elderly woman that would mean one would have to argue June was the second body in the kitchen.  There is no support for log entry of 2 bodies found in the kitchen but even less support for the notion the second body being referred to in the report was Sheila it was June.  June was the only elderly woman in the house and was the second body found.  The third body found was Sheila's with a rifle and then after that the boys finally.

     
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A message was passed and received, requesting DCI Harris to make immediate contact with ACC Peter Simpson, using a land line from the scene. This telephone conversation was said to have lasted until around 8.30am, by which time Sheila's body was relocated laid out on the bed. Now if true, and based on the first timing in the police log of a dead female body being found in the kitchen upon entry, there was a 33 minute period of pitential unconsciousness involving Sheila up until 8.10am. To this another 15 minutes must be added to account for the period between 8.30am, and 8.44am, at which stage Dr Craig had viewed her body "On" the far side of the bed, until 9.13am? This was another lengthy period consisting of a further 43 minutes, leading up to the actual time the second fatal shot was discharged beneath her chin during a trainingvexercise being videod by DS Davidson...

These periods of inactivity, (1) - 33 minutes and (2) - 43 minutes adding up to a total period of unconsciousness of 76 minutes,or in other words, 1 hour and 13 minutes of inactivity by Sheila Caffell...
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A message was passed and received, requesting DCI Harris to make immediate contact with ACC Peter Simpson, using a land line from the scene. This telephone conversation was said to have lasted until around 8.30am, by which time Sheila's body was relocated laid out on the bed. Now if true, and based on the first timing in the police log of a dead female body being found in the kitchen upon entry, there was a 33 minute period of pitential unconsciousness involving Sheila up until 8.10am. To this another 15 minutes must be added to account for the period between 8.30am, and 8.44am, at which stage Dr Craig had viewed her body "On" the far side of the bed, until 9.13am? This was another lengthy period consisting of a further 43 minutes, leading up to the actual time the second fatal shot was discharged beneath her chin during a trainingvexercise being videod by DS Davidson...

These periods of inactivity, (1) - 33 minutes and (2) - 43 minutes adding up to a total period of unconsciousness of 76 minutes,or in other words, 1 hour and 13 minutes of inactivity by Sheila Caffell...

There is the potential for a further 5 minutes of inactivity on Sheila's part, between 8.10am and 8.15am, which if added to 1 hour and 13 minutes previously calculated has grown to 1 hour and 18 minutes of inactivity, during which police had mistakenly believed her to be dead...
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