Russia - worrying?

[gringo]

How exactly is a country with an economy smaller than Texas, struggling to take the town of Bakhmut and unable to provide basic plumbing and sanitary means to 20% of its population, going achieve forcing NATO to withdraw membership to the 14 member states that joined after 1999?

   Weak economy- tick
    non flushing toilets- tick
    struggling militarily- tick
    you forgot the obligatory Stalin mention

    None of the things that you say are true-they have no link to the conversation. Go and play with your toys. You're way out of your depth and not attempting to discuss anything.

[David1819]

   Weak economy- tick
    non flushing toilets- tick
    struggling militarily- tick
    you forgot the obligatory Stalin mention

    None of the things that you say are true-they have no link to the conversation. Go and play with your toys. You're way out of your depth and not attempting to discuss anything.

In other words, you have no answer as to how Russia will achieve your ludicrously bold predictions. Just deny reality and fantasize about it happening.

[gringo]

In other words, you have no answer as to how Russia will achieve your ludicrously bold predictions. Just deny reality and fantasize about it happening.

   I have answered many times on this thread how Russia will achieve their objectives. They are achieving them and anyone paying attention understands that.
    Militarily, Russia have already destroyed the initial Ukrainian air force, navy and army. They have done this using about 10-15% of their forces and old Soviet stock. Ukraine-NATO have emptied the coffers of their vassal states old Soviet stocks, have sent countless "wonder weapons", "mercenaries",  are being attrited at the rate of about 10-1, force conscripting off the streets. Russia have yet to deploy the 300,000 called up yet.
     NATO is also, anything but, a unified force. They cannot take on Russia in Europe.(Every gamed scenario has shown NATO this uncomfortable truth) They have bitten off more than they can chew. They thought the "economic sanctions from hell" would break Russia. When Plan A didn't work-we found out they had no Plan B. Just double down on Plan A.
    The weak Russian economy bullshit is exposed for what it is-bullshit. GDP tells you nothing useful about an economy.
     Ask yourself if any of the supposed stronger economies than Russia that you often refer to(Italy, Texas etc.) would be able to not only survive but thrive under the crushing sanctions imposed on Russia. Believing their own propaganda and group-think prevented them from seeing an obvious truth that was always self evident. Russia is too big, too important to the world economy and too strong militarily to successfully sanction. You and the people you listen to are blinded by your own hubris.
     The truth is seeping out, David. The failure too big to hide any longer. Even you will wake up soon and realise that. 

[David1819]

ATGM targeting Russian infantry.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/10p4l4j/atgm_remove_ru_infantry/

[David1819]

   I have answered many times on this thread how Russia will achieve their objectives. They are achieving them and anyone paying attention understands that.
    Militarily, Russia have already destroyed the initial Ukrainian air force, navy and army. They have done this using about 10-15% of their forces and old Soviet stock. Ukraine-NATO have emptied the coffers of their vassal states old Soviet stocks, have sent countless "wonder weapons", "mercenaries",  are being attrited at the rate of about 10-1, force conscripting off the streets. Russia have yet to deploy the 300,000 called up yet.
     NATO is also, anything but, a unified force. They cannot take on Russia in Europe.(Every gamed scenario has shown NATO this uncomfortable truth) They have bitten off more than they can chew. They thought the "economic sanctions from hell" would break Russia. When Plan A didn't work-we found out they had no Plan B. Just double down on Plan A.
    The weak Russian economy bullshit is exposed for what it is-bullshit. GDP tells you nothing useful about an economy.
     Ask yourself if any of the supposed stronger economies than Russia that you often refer to(Italy, Texas etc.) would be able to not only survive but thrive under the crushing sanctions imposed on Russia. Believing their own propaganda and group-think prevented them from seeing an obvious truth that was always self evident. Russia is too big, too important to the world economy and too strong militarily to successfully sanction. You and the people you listen to are blinded by your own hubris.
     The truth is seeping out, David. The failure too big to hide any longer. Even you will wake up soon and realise that.

Well, let me know when Russia has pushed NATO back to its 1999 borders. Do you have any dates penciled in your diary for when this is expected to happen?

[gringo]

ATGM targeting Russian infantry.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/10p4l4j/atgm_remove_ru_infantry/

  Why do you constantly post links to war-porn? It is tasteless and says nothing good about you.

[David1819]

  Why do constantly post links to war-porn? It is tasteless and says nothing good about you.

Its important see events unfold on the ground don't you think? That's what we are talking about after all.

Those Russians troops running round like headless chickens while being bombed are your soon to be conquerors of NATO.


https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/10ku5h4/russian_attempt_to_build_a_bridge_near_vodyane/

[gringo]

Its important see events unfold on the ground don't you think? That's what we are talking about after all.

events unfold on the ground

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/10ku5h4/russian_attempt_to_build_a_bridge_near_vodyane/

   You aren't documenting facts on the ground as they unfold as anyone can see. There are countless videos available showing forced conscriptions of Ukrainians, brutal war crimes of Ukrainian Nazis which they film and post to telegram channels and other social media, pro Russian or suspected pro Russian citizens being tied to lamp-posts and beaten etc.     
     Don't pretend that you are documenting, "events unfold on the ground". Anyone can see that it is one sided, curated war porn.
      "Those Russians troops running round like headless chickens while being bombed are your soon to be conquerors of NATO."  Do you get off on Russians being bombed?

[gringo]

Hi gringo.  I've recently been listening to some youtube vids from James Rickards which seem to offer a different view point from Western mainstream media.  Are you familiar with him/his views?  If so what do you think?  Thanks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Rickards

    A Russian perspective for you, CC. A very moving address to Olaf Scholz, in light of Germany's decision to send tanks, by Russian MFA Maria Zakharova. Dressed in black-a much more sombre address than usual-the mood and resolve of the Russian people unmistakable. When she speaks of her grandmother in the aftermath of WW2 giving bread to returning German POW's who had been "hell bent" on killing them-her sincerity and pain are plain to see. The whole address (15 mins) is very informative of Russian resolve mixed with sadness at once again having to defend Russia. Transcribed below the youtube link are Maria Zakhorova's moving and clearly heartfelt words about her grandmother;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv7yEI5YRZc&ab_channel=iEarlGrey

    "I'd like to remind Mr. Scholz...perhaps he doesn't know...But when German POW's were in the territory of the USSR after the end of the war. They weren't mistreated in a way that our soldiers, POW's and citizens were mistreated by Germans. They were-those German soldiers were fed by the very people who had nothing to eat for years. Those people fed them-Do you know Mr. Scholz-my grandmother for her entire life was looking at bread as the most precious dish. Told me how this post war bread which was scarce was used by the Soviet people to feed German POW's who had previously burned out villages and murdering our children. Getting them into houses and burning them. 
    When I asked her once, "Grandma, you didn't have enough bread for yourselves-How could you after going through it all, share your bread with those hell-bent on killing you?"
    You Know Mr. Scholz, what my Grandma told me?
    She told me, "Masha, we pitied them. Pity, not of the kind that you call tolerance. But we pitied them and we loved them. We had our spiritual force to share our bread, even with the enemy despite the fact that we lacked it ourselves."
    You, in the West, have lost any idea of the true values that lie at the base of our humanity. Namely-Love. To believe that the West is supplying German tanks to the place that those German tanks have brought immense suffering to by destroying tens of millions of people. It is really impossible to imagine that in general you understand anything about Love, compassion, honour, conscience.
   

   

[gringo]

Well, let me know when Russia has pushed NATO back to its 1999 borders. Do you have any dates penciled in your diary for when this is expected to happen?

    Russia are in no rush. NATO and their apologists seem more interested in time. Russia have plenty of it. The economic war, which is what informs and fuels the military conflict, favours Russia and the multi-polar world, the longer it goes on. The West is, to paraphrase Obama's, "Russia is just a gas station with nukes"-  Just a casino bank with nukes.
     Time, is not on NATO/Empire's side.
     If you imagine that any of the pissy little Baltics or Poland will be hosting nukes- you are delusional. After defeating Ukraine/NATO in "the former Ukraine" any country daring to host NATO missiles will have those sites destroyed as well as any ability to do so again by Russia. NATO country or not, NATO will do nothing but bitch and moan.

[Steve_uk]

    Russia are in no rush. NATO and their apologists seem more interested in time. Russia have plenty of it. The economic war, which is what informs and fuels the military conflict, favours Russia and the multi-polar world, the longer it goes on. The West is, to paraphrase Obama's, "Russia is just a gas station with nukes"-  Just a casino bank with nukes.
     Time, is not on NATO/Empire's side.
     If you imagine that any of the pissy little Baltics or Poland will be hosting nukes- you are delusional. After defeating Ukraine/NATO in "the former Ukraine" any country daring to host NATO missiles will have those sites destroyed as well as any ability to do so again by Russia. NATO country or not, NATO will do nothing but bitch and moan.

I think you're overreaching yourself again gringo. People are sick of this Nazi talk, when there were no Nazis to be found in civilian Germany post-May 1945, most remnants were punished at Nuremberg and a handful escaped to South America to end their days in oblivion.  It's Putin who seems to be employing Nazi tactics of conquering by stealth. As a matter of interest I post a CND pamphlet. Whilst disagreeing with its conclusion it's useful for members to know where the USA has located nuclear weapons in Europe. https://cnduk.org/resources/united-states-nuclear-weapons-europe/

[gringo]

I think you're overreaching yourself again gringo. People are sick of this Nazi talk, when there were no Nazis to be found in civilian Germany post-May 1945, most remnants were punished at Nuremberg and a handful escaped to South America to end their days in oblivion.  It's Putin who seems to be employing Nazi tactics of conquering by stealth. As a matter of interest I post a CND pamphlet. Whilst disagreeing with its conclusion it's useful for members to know where the USA has located nuclear weapons in Europe. https://cnduk.org/resources/united-states-nuclear-weapons-europe/

     It is well known and documented that many Nazis were given new lives in the US and West. Have you never heard of "Operation Paperclip"?;

Operation Paperclip was a secret United States intelligence program in which more than 1,600 German scientists, engineers, and technicians were taken from the former Nazi Germany to the U.S. for government employment after the end of World War II in Europe, between 1945 and 1959. Conducted by the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA), it was largely carried out by special agents of the U.S. Army's Counterintelligence Corps (CIC). Many of these personnel were former members and some were former leaders of the Nazi Party.[1][2]

     The full wiki link below. For a more complete picture-it is an easy thing to research in little time-there are lots of well researched articles about it;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip#:~:text=After%20more%20than%20two%20decades,Rudolph%2C%20and%20Wernher%20von%20Braun.

[Steve_uk]

     It is well known and documented that many Nazis were given new lives in the US and West. Have you never heard of "Operation Paperclip"?;

Operation Paperclip was a secret United States intelligence program in which more than 1,600 German scientists, engineers, and technicians were taken from the former Nazi Germany to the U.S. for government employment after the end of World War II in Europe, between 1945 and 1959. Conducted by the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA), it was largely carried out by special agents of the U.S. Army's Counterintelligence Corps (CIC). Many of these personnel were former members and some were former leaders of the Nazi Party.[1][2]

     The full wiki link below. For a more complete picture-it is an easy thing to research in little time;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip#:~:text=After%20more%20than%20two%20decades,Rudolph%2C%20and%20Wernher%20von%20Braun.

But they weren't war criminals, but scientists and technicians. It wasn't possible for every professional who joined the Nazi Party to be incarcerated or there would have been no functioning West German state.

[gringo]

you're overreaching yourself again gringo. People are sick of this Nazi talk, It wasn't possible for every professional who joined the Nazi Party to be incarcerated or there would have been no functioning West German state.

    Steve, has your position now changed from;

  "you're overreaching yourself again gringo. People are sick of this Nazi talk, there were no Nazis to be found in civilian Germany post-May 1945, most remnants were punished at Nuremberg and a handful escaped to South America to end their days in oblivion."

   to

   "But they weren't war criminals, but scientists and technicians."?

    Did you read the excerpt I posted? Here is the important bit again;

   "it was largely carried out by special agents of the U.S. Army's Counterintelligence Corps (CIC). Many of these personnel were former members and some were former leaders of the Nazi Party."

     Face the truth and stop acting as an apologist.

 

   

 

[Steve_uk]

    Steve, has your position now changed from;

  "you're overreaching yourself again gringo. People are sick of this Nazi talk, there were no Nazis to be found in civilian Germany post-May 1945, most remnants were punished at Nuremberg and a handful escaped to South America to end their days in oblivion."

   to

   "But they weren't war criminals, but scientists and technicians."?

    Did you read the excerpt I posted? Here is the important bit again;

   "it was largely carried out by special agents of the U.S. Army's Counterintelligence Corps (CIC). Many of these personnel were former members and some were former leaders of the Nazi Party."

     Face the truth and stop acting as an apologist.

 

 

Can you post a link to a Nazi who committed war crimes and was recruited by the USA? I thought they were all scientists and technicians.