Russia - worrying?

[ILB]

Saddam came to power through his own machiavellian backstabbing and purges. Uday was POS because his father let him get away with it.

The man who was also given the key to Detroit in 1983.

[ILB]

Saddam came to power through his own machiavellian backstabbing and purges. Uday was POS because his father let him get away with it.

Uday and qusay were just victims of their own upbringing

[gringo]

Well then I'd have to ask you this. What country comes after Ukraine to the west?

What do you think the ultimate agenda Putin has?

    Russia's goals were made clear in December. Ukraine will be demilitarised. NATO missile installations to be rolled back to 1997. Only the propagandised believe western media nonsense that Putin intends to recreate the Soviet Union, on his days off from interfering in western elections or not receiving treatment for (insert terminal condition here).
     It was spelled out in December, in writing. NATO pretended that the proposals could be ignored. Russia's  goals are publicly spelled out.

[gringo]

What utter fantasy.  Russian losses are so horrific they are resorting to recruiting their prison population.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/05/23/russia-scrambles-for-soldiers-amid-ukraine-war-manpower-shortage-a77750

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/07/05/russian-prisons-corporations-recruit-ukraine-volunteers-reports-a78206


Since the paleo-conservative creationist blog (the blogmire) no longer posts anything about Russia. Your primary source of events is an alcoholics forum.

    Believe what you will, David. Ukraine and NATO are losing badly. Moscow Times are not a real Russian publication. For someone who derides the owners of other blogs for their not hidden and explicitly stated views, you are remarkably unperturbed by the hidden ownership of your own sources.
     Do you know where the figures you quote are sourced from? One of the articles sources was unnamed "analysts" and un-named "British officials". What does that even mean? The ISW who you have used previously and who are the source of Western media outlets "information" from Ukraine, as one glaring example. Do you know who founded the ISW? who are it's directors?
    Founded by Kimberley Kagan, sister in law of Victoria Nuland and directors that are a who's who of US Neocon warmongers. Wonder if they are impartial and honest?!
    According to "British officials" and "analysts" may be sufficient evidence for you but if you took off your blinkers you would realise that it is unsupported, evidence free propaganda.
     

[gringo]

The only countries behind Russia are North Korea, Syria, Belarus and Eritrea. 


    The above demonstrates your lack of understanding of geopolitics. The vote that you refer to was in the UNGA, was purely symbolic and was postponed for days until the US had coerced and blackmailed representatives to vote favourably. The US admitted to delaying whilst they "furiously lobbied" representatives before voting.
     Nothing happened or will happen as a result of this "vote". Real actions speak much more loudly.
     Argentina, one of the 141, have applied to join BRICS.
     China and India, who abstained, are trading with and self evidently support Russia. The General Assembly vote is good for propaganda to the uninitiated, but means nothing in Realpolitik.
     China and India between them represent nearly half of the world population.
     A bunch of meaningless votes off vassal micro-states and votes coerced with economic threats are nothing, especially when this vote has zero consequences.
   

[ILB]

    Russia's goals were made clear in December. Ukraine will be demilitarised. NATO missile installations to be rolled back to 1997. Only the propagandised believe western media nonsense that Putin intends to recreate the Soviet Union, on his days off from interfering in western elections or not receiving treatment for (insert terminal condition here).
     It was spelled out in December, in writing. NATO pretended that the proposals could be ignored. Russia's  goals are publicly spelled out.

I believe also that Adolf Hitler promised not to invade Czechoslovakia

[gringo]

Since the paleo-conservative creationist blog (the blogmire) no longer posts anything about Russia. Your primary source of events is an alcoholics forum.

   The blogmire, is owned and run by Rob Slane. I came across it when the whole Skripal affair unfolded. He is a resident of Salisbury and his writing and the discussions below were much more balanced and informative than the media that you trust, largely owned by dodgy intel connected billionaires or shady corporations. In your propagandised world this counts as impartial reporting.
   I don't read the Blogmire for geopolitical affairs but your obsession with his beliefs is odd given that you care not a jot about the possible motivations of the BBC, Forbes, ISW, Moscow fucking Times and the rest of the assorted biased rabble that you read.
   Dismissing the excellent https://www.moonofalabama.org/ as an alcoholics forum because of the tagline "where barflies meet" is puerile and to be expected of you. It has been around a long time and the discussions and analysis have proven to be remarkably accurate, unlike our MSM.
   There are many writers and reporters acting independently and much more honestly than the paid to lie dregs that you rely on.
    Alastair Crooke, Pepe Escobar, Elijah Magnier, Gilbert Doctorow, Eva Bartlett, Vanessa Beeley, M K Bhadrakumar, Andrei Martyanov, Jonathon Cook and on and on. There are many more who have been exclusively following geopolitics for decades. Their archives are testimony to their reliability.
    The publications that you rely on have been shown to uncritically repeat whatever they are told by "intelligence sources" and "officials". In other words they are nothing more than mouthpieces for western intelligence agencies. But, believe what you will.
    Facts on the ground are being created that don't care about propaganda. Empire of Lies is dead.

[gringo]

I believe also that Adolf Hitler promised not to invade Czechoslovakia

   Have you heard of Godwin's law?
    It is the observation that the longer an internet discussion goes on the probability that a comparison with Hitler will be made approaches 1 (or 100% if you prefer).
    It is also generally accepted that whoever makes the Hitler comparison loses the debate. Between yourself, David and Steve there is a Hitler comparison just about every other page.
    It simply demonstrates that you have nothing meaningful to add.

[gringo]

I believe also that Adolf Hitler promised not to invade Czechoslovakia

   What would be more relevant to the discussion would be the promises made by NATO/US to not expand to Russia's borders in the aftermath of the break up of the Soviet Union. Since that time the "game has been on" to weaken and balkanise Russia to plunder its vast resources. NATO aggression, interference, failure to renew missile defence treaties, walking away from treaties and expansion towards Russia are the source of today's situation.
    Had NATO stuck to its promises and adhered to treaties we wouldn't be where we are.
    Pretending that Russia is the aggressor after the last 30 years of NATO invasions and aggression all around the world is wilful blindness. Or complete ignorance.

[David1819]

Footage of Ukrainians using more American M142 HIMARS.

https://v.redd.it/e9b3rtvn3d991/DASH_360.mp4

[ILB]

   Have you heard of Godwin's law?
    It is the observation that the longer an internet discussion goes on the probability that a comparison with Hitler will be made approaches 1 (or 100% if you prefer).
    It is also generally accepted that whoever makes the Hitler comparison loses the debate. Between yourself, David and Steve there is a Hitler comparison just about every other page.
    It simply demonstrates that you have nothing meaningful to add.

I'm sorry but what do you think of an individual who wakes up one morning and decides to invade a peaceful nation?

Ukraine is an independent, separate sovereign nation

What are we debating exactly? Do you think it is right what has happened?

[ILB]

Are you saying the world should let him have Ukraine then. Appeasement?

The Hitler comparison is not stupid in the slightest

Forgot proposals. You have absolutely no idea of what his ultimate agenda is.

[gringo]

I'm sorry but what do you think of an individual who wakes up one morning and decides to invade a peaceful nation?

Ukraine is an independent, separate sovereign nation

What are we debating exactly? Do you think it is right what has happened?

    Ukraine was not a "peaceful nation".
     For 8 years the Ukrainian Army has been shelling civilian areas in Donbass/Luhansk. This is in breach of the 2015 Minsk 2 accords, which are also a UNSC resolution. I know this is all over your head, but I'll explain anyway.
     The ceasefire violations, lack of any attempt to negotiate with the separatists as stipulated in Minsk 2 and the continued shelling of civilian areas, killing thousands, all recorded by the OSCE necessitated Russia to intervene under the R2P doctrine.
      The build up of Ukrainian troops on the borders of Donbass threatening invasion showed Ukraine to be anything but a peaceful nation. The 2014 coup has also ensured that they are anything but an "independent sovereign nation". They are clearly US/NATO vassals as evidenced by the amount of US/UK/NATO aid, arms and mercenaries? pouring in from the real leaders of this US vassal.
      Your questions and the framing of them show that you have no understanding of world affairs and no interest in any real discussion about it. You just want to hear, "Putin bad, Russia bad".
      In truth the western machinations to interfere in Ukraine have been ongoing for decades and if you knew anything about the matters you are attempting to discuss, you would already know this, but you don't.
     2014 is when western plots went into overdrive with the Maidan coup. You are nowhere near understanding what is going on in Ukraine and seem to think it started only this year when,
   "peaceful, sovereign and independent Ukraine who were just hanging around minding their own business shelling civilians and threatening, along with NATO, to put nuclear missiles next to Russia's border were suddenly invaded for no other reason than Putin just waking up and deciding one morning"
     Do some reading!

[David1819]

Russia's T-72 Tank Has a Crucial Vulnerability, Complicating Moscow’s Ukraine War


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x78oE2yxNpI

[gringo]

Are you saying the world should let him have Ukraine then. Appeasement?

The Hitler comparison is not stupid in the slightest

Forgot proposals. You have absolutely no idea of what his ultimate agenda is.

    Should the world have let NATO dismember Yugoslavia, bomb Belgrade?
     Was this appeasement of US/NATO?
     Should the world have allowed NATO to invade Afghanistan?
     Was this appeasement?
     Should the world have allowed NATO to invade Iraq?
     Should the world have allowed NATO to bomb sovereign states like Syria, Yemen?
     Should the world have allowed NATO to invade Libya?
     Should the world allow NATO?
     You have absolutely no idea of what NATO's ultimate agenda is. Although there are some fucking big clues.
     Do you think that NATO are perhaps seeking world domination?
     Did you make Hitler comparisons when any of the above was taking place, in your name?
     Did you even give a shit? or is it only now? Indoctrinated much?