June Bamber, did not attend bible class evening before she was killed...

[Adam]

It happens all the time that killers stage robberies. They usually do a lousy job of it, but it happens all the time - even though it is a "horrible idea".
Killers don´t stage double shot killings as suicides. Never heard of it. If anyone can come up with an exaample (other than the Bamber case), let me know!

This has been discussed. Thread created which you posted on. 

The fake robbery and fake random stranger has also been discussed. Two threads created.

Bamber actually did quite well managing to kill Sheila with just two shots. June needed eight, Neville needed seven and a brutal beating.

[Caroline]

It happens all the time that killers stage robberies. They usually do a lousy job of it, but it happens all the time - even though it is a "horrible idea".
Killers don´t stage double shot killings as suicides. Never heard of it. If anyone can come up with an exaample (other than the Bamber case), let me know!

He didn't stage a double shot suicide, that came by accident.

[Alias]

This has been discussed. Thread created which you posted on. 

The fake robbery and fake random stranger has also been discussed. Two threads created.

Bamber actually did quite well managing to kill Sheila with just two shots. June needed eight, Neville needed seven and a brutal beating.

Just goes to show your threads did nothing for me! 

Wasn´t Jeremt supposed to be a somewhat experienced shooter? Strange that he needed eight shots for two sleeping six year olds.

[Patti]

How do you know he wasn't worried and that's why, as Grahame suggested, he made the phone call.

Professional? Are you suggesting cops don't make mistakes? How many times have you argued that the crime scene was badly handled - professional? They were pretty incompetent that day!!

Someone planning and executing such a heinous crime would have to be a psychopath and as such would feel no fear just concern about covering their arse! Jeremy thought he had - with the phone call.

How do you know he could have been? Why would a worried man who had just shot his entire family make up a silly call to himself? Oh, I get it to give himself an alibi so they would not suspect a blunder.

So, he called himself, got on a bike, rode through the back fields with a wet suit on, got undressed, showered, disposed of his wet suit or any other piece of clothing all in 11 minutes and made his call to police at 3:26 yet in court it was established that called JM at 3am and JB said his father phoned him about 3:15.

3:00 all is going well at the farm I have been up all night.
3:15 Phone call from WHF to GH
3:26 Call to police

[Caroline]

Just goes to show your threads did nothing for me! 

Wasn´t Jeremt supposed to be a somewhat experienced shooter? Strange that he needed eight shots for two sleeping six year olds.

But he was making it look as though Sheila did it.

[Adam]

Jeremy's supporters need to find more.

Going on about mysterious meetings in judges chambers, or mysterious photographs.

Then going on about two shots in Sheila (again). The two shots are just as damning for Bamber. Not many people shoot themselves twice when committing suicide.

[Patti]

Why would a burglar enter a house with five people inside ?

A thread has already been created on this. It was a terrible idea.

Adam burglaries take place at night whilst people are asleep, there is no doubt about that. Sometimes if people wake up they get hurt. 

[Patti]

It happens all the time that killers stage robberies. They usually do a lousy job of it, but it happens all the time - even though it is a "horrible idea".
Killers don´t stage double shot killings as suicides. Never heard of it. If anyone can come up with an exaample (other than the Bamber case), let me know!

Me neither Alias. 

[Adam]

But he was making it look as though Sheila did it.

I agree.

He may have set out to kill everyone without reloading. But the plan soon had to change.

The kitchen fight and re load meant he might as well reload twice and make it look like a crazy murder/suicide.

[Patti]

But he was making it look as though Sheila did it.

So you keep telling us, but if you could prove it I will be all ears.

The rifle went off in succession, that is well documented.

[Adam]

So you keep telling us, but if you could prove it I will be all ears.

The rifle went off in succession, that is well documented.

Perhaps the dog fired the second shot.

Or it was a random stranger/burglar.

Bamber did say to the police that Neville may have said to him 'She' rather than 'Sheila'. Mind you that was after the police suggested she could not shoot herself twice.

A female burglar/random stranger eh.

[Caroline]

How do you know he could have been? Why would a worried man who had just shot his entire family make up a silly call to himself? Oh, I get it to give himself an alibi so they would not suspect a blunder.

Yes, got it in one but there never was a call, he obviously made it up! I don't think he was worried, you said that, I said he just wanted to cover his arse.

So, he called himself, got on a bike, rode through the back fields with a wet suit on, got undressed, showered, disposed of his wet suit or any other piece of clothing all in 11 minutes and made his call to police at 3:26 yet in court it was established that called JM at 3am and JB said his father phoned him about 3:15.

Where did I any of that? And where does 11 minutes come from? We don't know the times of death, so not sure what the significance of 11 mins is. Actually Patti, Jeremy has changed the timing of his call to police, in order to fit in a call to the police from Nevil. Jeremy now says that he called police at 03:36. Odd that he would change such an important and what should a 'static' piece of info

[Caroline]

Me neither Alias. 

As already stated, he didn't stage a double shot suicide - it was the result of a balls up that he had to make the best of.

[Adam]

How do you know he could have been? Why would a worried man who had just shot his entire family make up a silly call to himself? Oh, I get it to give himself an alibi so they would not suspect a blunder.

So, he called himself, got on a bike, rode through the back fields with a wet suit on, got undressed, showered, disposed of his wet suit or any other piece of clothing all in 11 minutes and made his call to police at 3:26 yet in court it was established that called JM at 3am and JB said his father phoned him about 3:15.

3:00 all is going well at the farm I have been up all night.
3:15 Phone call from WHF to GH
3:26 Call to police

I don't understand this post.

Only Bob Woffinden and Robert Boutflour suggested Bamber may have worn a wet suit.

No one knows if he phoned his cottage from WHF. He phoned Julie when getting back to his cottage. Then rang the police, at 3.36am.

[Steve_uk]

It happens all the time that killers stage robberies. They usually do a lousy job of it, but it happens all the time - even though it is a "horrible idea".
Killers don´t stage double shot killings as suicides. Never heard of it. If anyone can come up with an exaample (other than the Bamber case), let me know!

There was the Catherine Murch case,though admittedly it's not an exact parallel.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/04/catherine-murch-murder-suicide-killed-kids_n_1741016.html