Neville & Jeremy. The last blazing row ?

[Caroline]

well considering his alleged playboy status - I don't think he would have been shy about that.

I often wondered why Liz became embroiled with some of Julies "stories" do you think it was a case of two women scorned? Perhaps he made her some promises he did not keep?

It doesn't sound as though LR wanted a relationship with him, but it was Liz who told Julie, not Jeremy.

[Mr. Gee]

It doesn't sound as though LR wanted a relationship with him, but it was Liz who told Julie, not Jeremy.

I have known (not personally mind you) two women to gang up together to plot against one man they think cheated on them.

[maggie]

I have known (not personally mind you) two women to gang up together to plot against one man they think cheated on them.

I agree and think it's quite plausible that two immature young women (and Julie seems to have been VERY immature) are quite capable of this, also remembering LR had some kind of relationship with Mathew MacDonald. Don't know much about it or how it ended but could have left her with a further axe to grind.......??

[Jane]

I agree and think it's quite plausible that two immature young women (and Julie seems to have been VERY immature) are quite capable of this, also remembering LR had some kind of relationship with Mathew MacDonald. Don't know much about it or how it ended but could have left her with a further axe to grind.......??

I'm inclined to agree. There's no end to the mischief that can be created by like minded females or those who feel they have been, in some way, wronged. What may start off as quite innocent can take on a life of its' own, each encouraging the other to greater heights. This, of course, MAY have been what transpired but if Steve is correct in believing Julie felt the need to "plead" for Jeremy to spare Sheila and the twins, she'd always been fully aware of what was in his mind. 

[Caroline]

I agree and think it's quite plausible that two immature young women (and Julie seems to have been VERY immature) are quite capable of this, also remembering LR had some kind of relationship with Mathew MacDonald. Don't know much about it or how it ended but could have left her with a further axe to grind.......??

I don't think this is correct - her boyfriend had a similar name and I think this is where the confusion is coming from.

[Caroline]

I have known (not personally mind you) two women to gang up together to plot against one man they think cheated on them.

It would take a couple of BLACK hearts to conspire to put a man away for a murder he didn't commit. And although I'm sure it does happen, Julie didn't just tell Liz her tale - did they 'all' conspire? Reading Mike's account of Jeremy's 'loyalty' only strengthens the guilty argument for me.

[maggie]

I don't think this is correct - her boyfriend had a similar name and I think this is where the confusion is coming from.

You are probably right, think Campion used to say she had an affair with him and have been told it was mentioned in a book but I have never found any evidence myself of such a relationship. May be another myth that has grown up.

[Alias]

It would take a couple of BLACK hearts to conspire to put a man away for a murder he didn't commit. And although I'm sure it does happen, Julie didn't just tell Liz her tale - did they 'all' conspire?

I am not in any way doubting Mike´s account of their last encounter, but in my experience, you always have to hear a case from both sides, because people perceive things very differently.

[Caroline]

You are probably right, think Campion used to say she had an affair with him and have been told it was mentioned in a book but I have never found any evidence myself of such a relationship. May be another myth that has grown up.

MM was a lot older than LR and I can't remember the name of her boyfriend, I will have a look later and see if I can find it. Or maybe someone else knows?

[maggie]

MM was a lot older than LR and I can't remember the name of her boyfriend, I will have a look later and see if I can find it. Or maybe someone else knows?

From what I've read MM didn't seem particularly fussy in that department and don't know if it was a relationship as such if it ever happened, would think we would all be more aware of it if it is true.

[Jan]

Talking about blazing rows I just read in his book the account from Peter Thomas Healey about the time that June and Neville were threatened by Jimmy Bell . I had not taken in the fact that not only did he throw the bullets at them but stood there with his 22 rifle with the silencer attached when the threat was going on.

He also tells of another time when Jimmy Bell threatened him with the same rifle.


He is very peeved that his statement was not really acknowledged and still holds the belief that the sighting of the unidentified  male was relevant and should have been revealed to the defence . The book is pretty weird to say the least but the last part does give interesting summary of how it was relevant that the prosecution with held evidence and EP withheld evidence that was not even revealed to the prosecution. It explains that at that time the defence could only request information from what the prosecution told them existed . And the prosecution should have revealed anything that could have potentially have helped jeremys defence. Which they did not.

There is also the name of the man who heard a shot or shots earlier in the evening .

I have only skim read it so far and as I say it is a book that is a bit "all over the place" but it is interesting.

[maggie]

Talking about blazing rows I just read in his book the account from Peter Thomas Healey about the time that June and Neville were threatened by Jimmy Bell . I had not taken in the fact that not only did he throw the bullets at them but stood there with his 22 rifle with the silencer attached when the threat was going on.

He also tells of another time when Jimmy Bell threatened him with the same rifle.


He is very peeved that his statement was not really acknowledged and still holds the belief that the sighting of the unidentified  male was relevant and should have been revealed to the defence . The book is pretty weird to say the least but the last part does give interesting summary of how it was relevant that the prosecution with held evidence and EP withheld evidence that was not even revealed to the prosecution. It explains that at that time the defence could only request information from what the prosecution told them existed . And the prosecution should have revealed anything that could have potentially have helped jeremys defence. Which they did not.

There is also the name of the man who heard a shot or shots earlier in the evening .

I have only skim read it so far and as I say it is a book that is a bit "all over the place" but it is interesting.

Have read it too Jan and found it interesting, I agree it's all over the place but I found the account of what he witnessed in that car park very convincing and troubling. I did email with him for a while but stuff got in the way I must contact him again. He was a really nice man.

[Jan]

Have read it too Jan and found it interesting, I agree it's all over the place but I found the account of what he witnessed in that car park very convincing and troubling. I did email with him for a while but stuff got in the way I must contact him again. He was a really nice man.

Yes it was very scary and obviously a man who would not of hesitated to kill the children either. Its not saying he did it but I  agree the fact that the family were under serious threat was obviously a fact . I wonder why NB did not get him prosecuted for such a threat ? That I find a bit odd?

Also ( as I say I have skim read it ) I did not realise in the lie detector Jeremy states that there was a radio log where bews reported seeing the figure at the window. Hence why he has been constantly trying to get the audio logs .

Yes it would be interesting if you have his email to see how he feels now , still watching Jeremys appeals keep failing.

[lookout]

Talking about blazing rows I just read in his book the account from Peter Thomas Healey about the time that June and Neville were threatened by Jimmy Bell . I had not taken in the fact that not only did he throw the bullets at them but stood there with his 22 rifle with the silencer attached when the threat was going on.

He also tells of another time when Jimmy Bell threatened him with the same rifle.


He is very peeved that his statement was not really acknowledged and still holds the belief that the sighting of the unidentified  male was relevant and should have been revealed to the defence . The book is pretty weird to say the least but the last part does give interesting summary of how it was relevant that the prosecution with held evidence and EP withheld evidence that was not even revealed to the prosecution. It explains that at that time the defence could only request information from what the prosecution told them existed . And the prosecution should have revealed anything that could have potentially have helped jeremys defence. Which they did not.

There is also the name of the man who heard a shot or shots earlier in the evening .

I have only skim read it so far and as I say it is a book that is a bit "all over the place" but it is interesting.

It is interesting,I must get that one,as it's written by a man " who knows ".Yes I knew about the rifle he pointed at the two of them.This is why I brought the Bell subject up last night,as this would account for the way Neville felt about " I mustn't turn my back on that young man " when he'd said it to BW.
Jeremy got the blame for that because it suited everones' scenario/theory,even BW's when she was in the wrong company and easily led.

[Jan]

The writer seems convinced that Jimmy bell was involved in other things that went on as well.

You see if that rifle was by the window as stated by Jeapes then it is possible the whole suicide was actually not "faked " by Jeremy after all.

Could someone have faked the call from Neville?

I again will state I am not saying any of that is even possible but the writer said that he felt that the serious threat by a man with the same type of rifle should have been taken into account. Plus the report of the man leaving WHF .

These after all are not theories - they are documented events . And yet witnesses who claim to know about Jeremys sexual preferences are allowed to speak without substantiated evidence ( the police loved the fact that he might be in their words a "poof" )

As to the thread title was it just a bit of an argument - in a family business  that was probably not unusual that was blown up to suit the circumstance? Only  a few people know the truth about that.