Video about Julie Mugford

[Mr. Gee]

There was no chance of marriage after the massacre. Or even before as things were fizzling out.

Jeremy had the resources to be a playboy and drug dealer. And boy was he going to do it. Visiting Amsterdam for some drugs, and playboy mansion St Tropez. Brett was much more of a laugh than Julie.

I do not think Julie was desperate to marry Jeremy. She was only 20 and had turned down June's offer to buy a property.

If she was keen to marry him and heard him ask another woman out, that may have been a clincher in approaching the police. But it is just as likely that a woman scorned will tell the truth. Thread already created.

If she wasn't keen to marry him why would she put a pillow over his face and say, "If I can't have you no one will"?

[Jane]

There was no chance of marriage after the massacre. Or even before as things were fizzling out.

Jeremy had the resources to be a playboy and drug dealer. And boy was he going to do it. Visiting Amsterdam for some drugs, and playboy mansion St Tropez. Brett was much more of a laugh than Julie.

I do not think Julie was desperate to marry Jeremy. She was only 20 and had turned down June's offer to buy a property.

If she was keen to marry him and heard him ask another woman out, that may have been a clincher in approaching the police. But it is just as likely that a woman scorned will tell the truth. Thread already created.

You're more successful at being in Jeremy's head than In Julie's. I think it's possible to compare her mind set with that of Diana Spencer at the same age. She clearly knew of the other woman but thought marriage would cure it. I believe Julie had it FIRMLY fixed in her brain, that with what she knew, he would NEVER desert her. It's possible that hearing him in conversation with "the other woman" was a wake-up call. One reason for her to turn down June's offer to buy her a flat might be that it might be an encumbrance in that it could delay Jeremy's proposal. If she had somewhere of her own as opposed to living in shared and rented accommodation there would be no sense of urgency on his part

[lookout]

I was commenting that it was a silly thing to do in telling her all his plans that he had if the relationship had been cooling off since 1984. It is a logical thing to question no matter how you try and get out of it. No one but no one would tell someone who was not as close to them as they once were their complete plan as to how they were going to commit the perfect murder. It was not Jeremy's testimony that convicted him it was as JM said herself her testimony that put him where he is today.

 I often wonder,when Jeremy spoke like this ( in his jovial way ) that he was " testing " folk out. Brett Collins didn't like Julie and the feeling was mutual,and I think that Jeremy trusted Brett over Julie. Maybe at sometime,you never know,Brett may have remarked to Jeremy that he didn't trust her,which could have been part of Julies' dislike for him. Liars don't particularly like,or get along with those who are honest.
NOBODY could have predicted what would go on at WHF,and it was just unfortunate,or convenient,which ever way you look at the case, that Jeremy came out with such remarks.

I'm sure strange things have happened to most of us at times,such as something as simple as writing a post,and listening to a song,when a specific word has been mentioned that you've either just written or were going to write ( coincidence ). What Jeremy uttered was what I'd have called a coincidence,because it actually happened.
If you can follow what I mean,you'll understand.

[Caroline]

Caroline if you read JM's statement she revealed to the police apparrently every step of his plan to kill his parents. Indeed he was convicted upon her testimony. I just expreseed surprise that if there relationship had been breaking down since 1984 as Adam says it was, then how odd that he should reveal these things to her in 1985? Simples.

If I read it? I have read it several times. She talks about his plans to kill his family at great length. Initially they were supposed to be drugged and burned in a fire - that didn't happen. Then after they all turn up dead, Julie's story is of a hit-man so he didn't tell her the full story. I think he told her about the hit-man as protection. I assumed that the police would see through it if she went to the police, discrediting her. Remember he said that they wouldn't believe her and that he'd planned for everything - he didn't plan for the police actually taking her seriously.

[JackiePreece]

'If'.

There was not really any chance of marriage.

Jeremy said the relationship had been in decline since xmas 84. That is 9 months prior to the massacre. He testified he was rarely visiting Julie. She didn't seem too bothered. Both of them were young.

There was no chance of marriage after the massacre. Jeremy keen to live the playboy lifestyle with buddies. Julie knowing Jeremy was involved in the massacre. And being whisked around everywhere by Jeremy.  Probably without being asked. Taking her away from her studies.

Jeremy being heard asking another woman out was the final nail. And perhaps a fatal mistake. Thread already created.

Just to put you in the picture Adam, Jeremy didn't need money to be a playboy
He was extremely handsome and probably could have had his pick of any girl he wanted rich or poor

He has a fantastic character although extremely naive

People would had liked Jeremy a lot he is extremely funny and easy to talk to

I will not accept your opinion on Jeremy because it is untrue.  I know the man and I know the people he grew up with

Just like Caroline trying to blacken his name by saying he hadn't replied to her
Hundreds of women like Caroline write to Jeremy and sometimes he takes longer to write back to these women

Nothing sinister at all like it was made out to be

[Mr. Gee]

If I read it? I have read it several times. She talks about his plans to kill his family at great length. Initially they were supposed to be drugged and burned in a fire - that didn't happen. Then after they all turn up dead, Julie's story is of a hit-man so he didn't tell her the full story. I think he told her about the hit-man as protection. I assumed that the police would see through it if she went to the police, discrediting her. Remember he said that they wouldn't believe her and that he'd planned for everything - he didn't plan for the police actually taking her seriously.

Caroline I am sure you get what I am talking about? If the relationship was dying, then why would he tell her all this? In other words if their relationship was dying then do you not think it rather strange that he would have divulged all this to her. In other words isn't it odd that he should entrust all this information to her? Would he REALLY have taken that chance?

[lookout]

Caroline I am sure you get what I am talking about? If the relationship was dying, then why would he tell her all this? In other words if their relationship was dying then do you not think it rather strange that he would have divulged all this to her. In other words isn't it odd that he should entrust all this information to her? Would he REALLY have taken that chance?

I think he was testing her,Mr G. As it would seem that him and Brett had their heads together to see how far she'd take his rather sick joke. Unfortunately it backfired on him.

[Mr. Gee]

I think he was testing her,Mr G. As it would seem that him and Brett had their heads together to see how far she'd take his rather sick joke. Unfortunately it backfired on him.

Sorry lookout, but I just cannot get this into my head that if someone was planning a perfect murder that he would tell a girlfriend with whom he was finishing a relationship with. In fact why he should tell anyone. How come none of his other girlfriends weren't so forthcoming as JM? How come JM  knew so much about this and none of the others knew nothing at all? In fact all of these former girlfriends had nothing but good things to say about him. Personally I think anyone who believes Mugford needs their brains tested. Only my opinion of course.

[lookout]

Sorry lookout, but I just cannot get this into my head that if someone was planning a perfect murder that he would tell a girlfriend with whom he was finishing a relationship with. In fact why he should tell anyone. How come none of his other girlfriends weren't so forthcoming as JM? How come JM  knew so much about this and none of the others knew nothing at all? In fact all of these former girlfriends had nothing but good things to say about him. Personally I think anyone who believes Mugford needs their brains tested. Only my opinion of course.

I agree Mr G. What I'm trying to put over is the fact that Brett may have said to Jeremy at some time that he didn't trust Julie,so daft Jeremy spun some cock and bull story about murdering his family,to see what her reaction would be as well as to see if what he'd told her came back to him----------which it did,with a vengeance, to suit,and to set the scene for what had happened. She'd have known full well that it wouldn't have been Jeremy who'd committed the murders,but had already dug herself a deep hole that she wasn't likely to have got out of,save joining him on a  perversion charge.
Julie was in too deep to back out,and her mind would have been well and truly set on " getting her own back " which gee-ed her on.

I would never have believed  that woman. It was enough for me that June didn't like her !!

[Jane]

I think he was testing her,Mr G. As it would seem that him and Brett had their heads together to see how far she'd take his rather sick joke. Unfortunately it backfired on him.

Under which circumstances, I'd feel inclined to say it served him right. To make that sort of joke when his whole family has been annihilated is sick BEYOND belief.................and ALMOST as evil.

[lookout]

Under which circumstances, I'd feel inclined to say it served him right. To make that sort of joke when his whole family has been annihilated is sick BEYOND belief.................and ALMOST as evil.

The whole point was,April,prior to the tragedy,Jeremy DID NOT know it was going to happen.

I would have said that it was unfortunate that he spoke in such a way for it to have happened in reality,but NOT by his hand. He wasn't a clairvoyant,so wasn't aware that it would happen.

It's the same as saying,come November 5th," I hope a rocket doesn't go up that mans' trouser leg ",giggle giggle----------and it does. Are you going to be held responsible for having said that, if the guy died of fright and burns ? Of course you're not.

[lookout]

Life is unpredictable,and also what you say is too.

[Mr. Gee]

Under which circumstances, I'd feel inclined to say it served him right. To make that sort of joke when his whole family has been annihilated is sick BEYOND belief.................and ALMOST as evil.

Well obviously if it were so then the guilters are right, she is some kind of simpleton who would believe everything she was told. Personally of course I don't think he told her anything of the sort. I rather believe that she meant to get her own back, a woman scorned and all that, but when he was convicted, which she didn't expect her lies had gone too deep and had taken on a life of their own, so today if she owned up and told the truth she'd be in one hell of a hole? Just my opinion of course.

[Jane]

The whole point was,April,prior to the tragedy,Jeremy DID NOT know it was going to happen.

I would have said that it was unfortunate that he spoke in such a way for it to have happened in reality,but NOT by his hand. He wasn't a clairvoyant,so wasn't aware that it would happen.

It's the same as saying,come November 5th," I hope a rocket doesn't go up that mans' trouser leg ",giggle giggle----------and it does. Are you going to be held responsible for having said that, if the guy died of fright and burns ? Of course you're not.

Lookout, had Jeremy been 14, it might have been more forgivable -after all, little more than schoolboy humour could be expected from him- but Jeremy was 24 and that puts a rather different complexion on it.........................IMO.

[lookout]

Lookout, had Jeremy been 14, it might have been more forgivable -after all, little more than schoolboy humour could be expected from him- but Jeremy was 24 and that puts a rather different complexion on it.........................IMO.

To be perfectly honest,April,I think his mind was little more than a schoolboys' at times with some of his pranks.
We had a family friend who was just the same. A grown man,who actually went in the army in the early 50's,but a bigger kid you ever met,especially when he came to the house at Halloween with his ghostly pranks frightening the lives out of bro. and myself. This is why I can relate to Jeremy,because there are/were people like that. I think I've seen and experienced life from every angle possible.
The guy in question was an only child who had a pretty sheltered life with his " older " parents but who let his hair down when he came to visit,and got up to all sorts of mischief.