Jeremy's court testimony:

[Jane]

I don't think that was realistic at the time. Jeremy testified he was seeing less of Julie. Travelling to London less. Two young people were probably getting bored after a long relationship.

Marriage was even more unlikely after it looked like Jeremy was going to be a rich man. Brett it seemed was going to be his new buddy after the inevitable breakup with Julie happened.

It may have seemed totally unrealistic..................to JEREMY. But it Julie may have seen it VERY differently. I doubt it was discussed.

[scipio_usmc]

Pc West: I again related the details of my conversation and the officer [Pc Saxby] told me that he would go direct to White House Farm with his Sergeant."

Either the above is deliberately misleading or it was Pc West who got Pc Saxby to go to WHF, not Malcolm Bonnett.

PC West made numerous mistakes, it doesn't have to be a lie but can be an error.  He even could have contacted the after Bonnett did with them telling him they were going and him considering that counting to him doing the dispatching.

Such semantics are of little consequence.

In contrast Jeremy outright lied and his lies are of great significance.

[JackiePreece]

Chapter 31, page 220 of Wilkes's book -

Julies mother Mary Mugford followed her daughter into the witness box.

She said 'Jeremy hated his mother & blamed her for turning Sheila mad. And he resented her for loving the twins more than him. Jeremy disliked his mother intensely & I felt he was more affectionate to me'.

'He used to call me mummy all the time. He offerred me his mothers small car which had been bought that Christmas. This was just after the shooting. A list had been drawn up and he was going to keep no momentoes, which I thought very strange. He wanted to sell everthing'.

'Jeremy resented his mother because she sent him away to boarding school. He never forgave her for that.

'Apparently she was a religious maniac'.

'A few months before the murders Jeremy had told me her mother was thinking of changing her will in favour of her grandsons, on whom she doted'.

'Jeremy never spoke to his mother & she never showed any affection towards him'.

'He often spoke of this'. 

Barbara wilson saw everyone everyday and certainly never said this
We are talking about the mother of a crook who used to kite cheques

[lookout]

 Yes,it looks as though those who were quick to lay blame on Jeremy,weren't without blame themselves. Every damn one of them.  This is usually the way though,isn't it ? You'll find it's those who have an axe to grind,will always blame someone else,to justify their own shortcomings.

[Reader]

PC West made numerous mistakes

What were they?

[Jan]

PC West made numerous mistakes, it doesn't have to be a lie but can be an error.  He even could have contacted the after Bonnett did with them telling him they were going and him considering that counting to him doing the dispatching.

Such semantics are of little consequence.

In contrast Jeremy outright lied and his lies are of great significance.

Yes they are of huge consequence.

Timings / recordings of conversations / mistakes about bodies being male or female/ gun being found in the kitchen with no moderator etc - are according to you just errors of no consequence.

We must be able to rely on the police for accuracy and not excuse their mistakes when a mans freedom is at stake.

[scipio_usmc]

It may have seemed totally unrealistic..................to JEREMY. But it Julie may have seen it VERY differently. I doubt it was discussed.

Some women are content with just having fun and not worrying about marriage.  After he proposed to her yet later broke their engagement that seemed to change things.  That created an expectation in her things were more serious beween them and yet instead settling down he became more carefree after the murders.  Once you make someone (male or female) think it is extremely serious it is hard to go back to the way you were.  They usually won't stand for it.

Between that and the guilt about the murders it became too much to tolerate. He thought that despite brekaing up she would always love him too much to turn on him and that police would nto believe her anyway because he would just chalk it up to the breakup. The major evidence the lab developed had not yet come to light. That evidence corroborated much of her claims and is much more powerful than just hearing her account.  Combined they were quite a game changer.  Jeremy predicted neither and still didn't seem to appreciate the strength of such evidence even at trial.



     

[scipio_usmc]

What were they?

He didn't record the correct time Jeremy's call was received on his log.  Then he didn't prepare to testify at trial so wasn't exactly sure what he did and had to read from his log to try to detail the events.  He botched how long he was on the phone with Jeremy and wasn't entirely sure of how everything went down with Bonnett and the dispatching of the police.  He made it sound like he just asked Bonnet for the station and cars avaialble for him to contact himself he failed to mention telling Bonnett all about Jeremy's call though his notes and statements admitted he did so.  He didn't provide details he should have at trial because he didn't prepare to testify and was criticized by his superiors for such.


 

[scipio_usmc]

Yes they are of huge consequence.

Timings / recordings of conversations / mistakes about bodies being male or female/ gun being found in the kitchen with no moderator etc - are according to you just errors of no consequence.

We must be able to rely on the police for accuracy and not excuse their mistakes when a mans freedom is at stake.

There is no evidence that West was responsible for the error asserting there were 2 bodies in the kitchen.

In the meantime a log maintained by someone far from the scene is immaterial with regard to the bodies found and where.  You have the peopel who found and saw the bodies testify and provide statements as to what they witnessed.

The statements are all consistent and supported by physical evidence and photos.  Jeremy supporters have no evidence at all to try pretending there were 2 bodies in the kitchen, not even a plausible motive for moving a body from the kitchen let alone any evidence such occurred.

If all the myths are set aside Jeremy supporters have nothing at all so far as arguments that can be made to suggest Jerem yis inncoent.  All supporters can do is say they refuse to believe he is guily and thus refuse to believe the evidence though they can't refute it.

[Jan]

Some women are content with just having fun and not worrying about marriage.  After he proposed to her yet later broke their engagement that seemed to change things.  That created an expectation in her things were more serious beween them and yet instead settling down he became more carefree after the murders.  Once you make someone (male or female) think it is extremely serious it is hard to go back to the way you were.  They usually won't stand for it.

Between that and the guilt about the murders it became too much to tolerate. He thought that despite brekaing up she would always love him too much to turn on him and that police would nto believe her anyway because he would just chalk it up to the breakup. The major evidence the lab developed had not yet come to light. That evidence corroborated much of her claims and is much more powerful than just hearing her account.  Combined they were quite a game changer.  Jeremy predicted neither and still didn't seem to appreciate the strength of such evidence even at trial.



   

How on earth do you become such an expert on what Jeremy thought. You are calling us biased - but your interpretation of being able to read his mind is coming from your bias , because you can have no way of KNOWING what his thoughts were.

[Reader]

How come you think Pc West made mistakes, but Jeremy told lies? Why can't Jeremy have simply made some mistakes when he was incorrect?

[Jan]

they were also ( two officers) allowed to make "mistakes" about how they thought the bodies/gun/bible had been moved - but of course that is unimportant as well.

you would think after seeing such a horrific scene the images would unfortunately be ingrained in their memories

[JackiePreece]

Some women are content with just having fun and not worrying about marriage.  After he proposed to her yet later broke their engagement that seemed to change things.  That created an expectation in her things were more serious beween them and yet instead settling down he became more carefree after the murders.  Once you make someone (male or female) think it is extremely serious it is hard to go back to the way you were.  They usually won't stand for it.

Between that and the guilt about the murders it became too much to tolerate. He thought that despite brekaing up she would always love him too much to turn on him and that police would nto believe her anyway because he would just chalk it up to the breakup. The major evidence the lab developed had not yet come to light. That evidence corroborated much of her claims and is much more powerful than just hearing her account.  Combined they were quite a game changer.  Jeremy predicted neither and still didn't seem to appreciate the strength of such evidence even at trial.



   

Skippy the rubbish just rolls off your tongue

What guilty???
You are actually trying to make out Julie felt guilty??
Are you bonkers???
She was annoyed with Jeremy because he wouldn't hand over money for her and her mate to go abroad on a jolly
Do you think she felt guilty flicking through the holiday between popping into the mortuary??

[Adam]

Skippy the rubbish just rolls off your tongue

What guilty???
You are actually trying to make out Julie felt guilty??
Are you bonkers???
She was annoyed with Jeremy because he wouldn't hand over money for her and her mate to go abroad on a jolly
Do you think she felt guilty flicking through the holiday between popping into the mortuary??

Have you got a source that Julie wanted to to go on a jolly up with her friend ?

She was being whisked everywhere by Jeremy. So not really desperate for another jolly up.

[scipio_usmc]

How on earth do you become such an expert on what Jeremy thought. You are calling us biased - but your interpretation of being able to read his mind is coming from your bias , because you can have no way of KNOWING what his thoughts were.

It takes an expert to figure out Jeremy changed his mind about marriage and was only interested in living it up and not settling down?  He broke off their engagement allegedly because it pleased his parents and then after they were gone spent more time with Brett than Julie and made no effort at all to settle down?

It takes an expert to figure out he didn't think she would rat him out or that police would believe her if he did?  It takes an expert to figure out he expected to be acquitted and was shocked when he was convicted because he had no appreciation of how potent the evidence was?

All one has to do is look at the evidence tha tinfomrs about these matters.

Because I am not biased I actually look at all the available evidence fully I don't look through blinders.